Lockers confirmed but not yet available! "Locking Differential Controls Coming Soon"

[Keeney]

ROTFLMAO

You must have forgotten that they had to design the car before they updated the software.

1. They had already started designing the truck even before 4 years ago when they announced and showed a driving concept vehicle.
2. They started with a software platform from other models of vehicle. Not starting from scratch.
3. They can develop the software outside of the vehicle. Use simulation and mocking code.
4. Prototypes have been driving around for a couple years, now.
5. Release Candidate units for the past 6 months or more.

Its not the kind of thing you just run out of time to implement.
I suspect Tesla is holding out on the off-roading capabilities for some reason not related to the software not being done.

 

[HaulingAss]

I love to give Tesla the benefit of the doubt, but there are way too many features on this car that are "coming soon". Does it really matter to me because I don't have one yet? Not really, but most people would chew any other automakers head off for this.

Not really. The Ford Mach-e was released with semi-finished software too. No ones head rolled over this. And the Mach-e over-the-air software updates are *still* a joke.

Anyway, if you get an early delivery of a new model it's kinda cool to see it get better, with new functionality added as you own it. No charge. I think I've had more free stuff that I wasn't expecting added to our two Tesla over the years than any functionality that was missing for the first few months. It's all good, really.

 

[scottf200]

How many get Feature updates? Seems to be close to 0.

Yes, I follow Tesla OTAs very closely like you. I've had one for a while and follow several places that talk about the details of OTAs. You like asking loaded questions to a biased field.

Many are tied into OEM suppliers (no API/communication) and if you don't understand how this transition is ongoing then you don't really understand the situation. Your "superfan" point is pretty silly actually. You are trying to waste peoples time.

It is a very interesting area to follow. Ford did a lot of work in this area early on for the Mach-e. The Ford CEO has talked about this in a few interviews and how it is being addressed. The T3 truck will certainly be ground up like Tesla and Rivian in this regard. Many other companies are getting a handle on this too.

Clearly, you don't follow others but just want to make Tesla look good.
As example example Ford has added features. Look them up yourself.
Rivian's OTA is getting very good and they are adding a fair number of features. Look them up yourself.

 

[Trekboy]

As long as I've been waiting for CT, I would not buy without this feature enabled.

 

[VR Driving]

They tested it tho ?!?!


Tweet:
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I wish Tesla would hire me as their test driver.

 

[cvalue13]

Need I go further

nah

pretty much all that same stuff going on in new Ford’s, BEV or ICE



Hell, early on, I might have even gotten to myself design a UI change!

Over in this same forum platform’s Lightning page, Ford itself has a representative member that occasionally participates and responds to customer feedback/requests. A month after release (a week into owning) I pointed out a UI design defect/improvement, and within a week it was reflected in an OTA update that still stands today. No longer do people with banana-hands/work gloves on accidentally turn on the defroster when turning the command knob.

(the Ford rep never confirmed that I was the direct source, but they never denied it either - so I’m taking the ‘W’)

So many of my list of added features don't even exist in other vehicles.

yeah some are cool

some are gimmicks

some are past-last-mile fixes fanboi’s eventually remember as free additions (like turning on heated seats**/lockers) ?

go figure - different car companies are different!



**isn’t this the one where Tesla’s plan was to make heated seats a pay-for feature (that’s why they included the hardware), but then owners revolted, so Tesla ended up making it cheaper / just turning it on? ?

that one’s as about as good as Tesla software limiting the range on a base model trim with the same pack as a higher trim, just so it doesn’t bust its market price segmentation

with the OTA giveth, the OTA can taketh away

 

[cvalue13]

As example example Ford has added features. Look them up yourself.

let’s not overlook another key distinction in business strategy between Tesla and other OEMs:

Ford like many others, but not Tesla, have Apple Car Play - which means Ford has this conduit through which to offer any number of ‘features’ - and has been for 7 years

and it’s no small accident. It’s not the end of the strategy.

Which reminds me:

How many get Feature updates? Seems to be close to 0.

I'll add a question. Been doing so for more than 2 years? 0

And let me add "All because Tesla does it" It's a required feature if you are trying to play in Tesla's EV game.

yes, and from where did Tesla get the idea? what companies are each of (A) strategically aligned with Apple, (B) providing billions of miles of driving data to Apple, and (C) a touch more conservative in the bulletproof-ness of their rollout of revolutionary functionality concepts? For well over 2 years? Over 7 years to be exact?

all those years of talk RE an ‘apple car’ were misunderstanding apple/OEMs strategy to instead become the software brains of … any car (other than Tesla)

OTA commercialized, was perfected by Apple, not Tesla, and Apple isn’t finished

Car Play 2 is around the corner, and - for starters - it will control every screen/most functions in the vehicle ... for starters (in 2023).

As you read the article below, open your mind, let your imagination run wild as to where this is heading, and then wonder aloud “I wonder why no OEMs are leaping to license Tesla’s FSD?”

if folks haven’t been paying attention to Car Play 2, they aren’t watching their $TSLA 6 o’clock.

this below is just the 2023 rollout…

The ‘next-generation’ of CarPlay is launching this year (9to5mac Jan. 2 ‘24)

“…The “next generation” of CarPlay, however, will pretty much give the CarPlay interface a complete overhaul…

Where the new CarPlay interface really shines, however, is with how it can take over your car’s entire infotainment system. This includes the center console display in its entirety, as well as any other displays like one behind the steering wheel….

… the key to this new design is that it completely replaces the car manufacturer’s software interface…

If CarPlay is going to take over your entire in-car experience, then it needs to be able to access all of the features and functionality of your car. With this in mind, the “next generation” of CarPlay will have access to a much broader range of car features than before. Apple says that this is accomplished by your iPhone communicating with your car’s real-time system.

This includes things like climate control, fuel and battery charge levels, radio controls, instrument cluster data, and more. “CarPlay will seamlessly render the speed, fuel level, temperature, and more on the instrument cluster,” Apple says. “Deeper integration with the vehicle will allow users to do things like control the radio or change the climate directly through CarPlay.”

You’ll be able to personalize your driving experience by choosing different gauge cluster designs and managing the layout of the instrument cluster itself. Apple says it carefully crafted different instrument cluster designs, “ranging from the modern to the traditional.”

Apple also says there will be different layout options for yet another level of customization. You’ll also be able to pick custom fonts, font sizes, and font colors for the various aspects of your car’s interface.

Other than Porsche and Aston Martin, here are the automakers that have signed on to support this new CarPlay interface.

• Land Rover
• Mercedes Benz
• Lincoln
• Audi
• Volvo
• Honda
• Nissan
• Ford
• Jaguar
• Acura
• Polestar
• Infiniti
• Renault

 

[Woodrick]

nah

pretty much all that same stuff going on in new Ford’s, BEV or ICE



Hell, early on, I might have even gotten to myself design a UI change!

Over in this same forum platform’s Lightning page, Ford itself has a representative member that occasionally participates and responds to customer feedback/requests. A month after release (a week into owning) I pointed out a UI design defect/improvement, and within a week it was reflected in an OTA update that still stands today. No longer do people with banana-hands/work gloves on accidentally turn on the defroster when turning the command knob.

(the Ford rep never confirmed that I was the direct source, but they never denied it either - so I’m taking the ‘W’)



yeah some are cool

some are gimmicks

some are past-last-mile fixes fanboi’s eventually remember as free additions (like turning on heated seats**/lockers) ?

go figure - different car companies are different!

That's the way, when you get your question answered with facts, you change the question. Tesla has provided and is continuing to provide numerous updates with significant features.


Yes, it does seem that Ford is updating the Lightning a little more than I thought.
But I did notice "same stuff going on in new Ford’s, BEV or ICE". That suggests that they are doing it to catch up to Tesla.

It's one of the things that Tesla owners have gotten used to and expect.

**isn’t this the one where Tesla’s plan was to make heated seats a pay-for feature (that’s why they included the hardware), but then owners revolted, so Tesla ended up making it cheaper / just turning it on? ?

that one’s as about as good as Tesla software limiting the range on a base model trim with the same pack as a higher trim, just so it doesn’t bust its market price segmentation

with the OTA giveth, the OTA can taketh away

No, that was another manufacturer that was going to make you pay for heated seats.

 

[cvalue13]

No, that was another manufacturer that was going to make you pay for heated seats.

you sure are cock-sure for someone who is simultaneously unfamiliar with Tesla history.

Tesla charged a buy-in for heated seats for 2 years before they stopped in 2022 and enabled them ‘free’. And they now appear poised to begin doing it instead on a subscription basis.

Tesla Could Be Preparing to Software Lock Heated Seats Behind Paywall (Nov ‘23)

Tesla may soon begin charging new Model 3 owners for heated front seats and heated windshield wipers, according to findings uncovered in the automaker's newest 2023.38.8 vehicle software update…

Tesla is no stranger to software-locking factory-installed hardware behind a paywall, such as the footwell lights in the Model 3, or additional battery capacity in older Tesla Model S and X vehicles. In the past, it has even charged for heated seats –specifically, rear seats in lowered-trimmed Standard Range Model 3 variants. However, Tesla stopped charging for heated rear seats in 2022.

Yes, it does seem that Ford is updating the Lightning a little more than I thought.
But I did notice "same stuff going on in new Ford’s, BEV or ICE". That suggests that they are doing it to catch up to Tesla.

It's one of the things that Tesla owners have gotten used to and expect.

your xwitter-like regurgitation of fanboi marketing claptrap would be a *touch* more persuasive if you were at base familiar with. either Tesla or other manufacturers processes, strategies, and divergent business models.

instead, it just comes across as more 160-character level of insight

 

[Woodrick]

you sure are cock-sure for someone who is simultaneously unfamiliar with Tesla history.

Tesla charged a buy-in for heated seats for 2 years before they stopped in 2022 and enabled them ‘free’. And they now appear poised to begin doing it instead on a subscription basis.

Tesla Could Be Preparing to Software Lock Heated Seats Behind Paywall (Nov ‘23)

Tesla may soon begin charging new Model 3 owners for heated front seats and heated windshield wipers, according to findings uncovered in the automaker's newest 2023.38.8 vehicle software update…

Tesla is no stranger to software-locking factory-installed hardware behind a paywall, such as the footwell lights in the Model 3, or additional battery capacity in older Tesla Model S and X vehicles. In the past, it has even charged for heated seats –specifically, rear seats in lowered-trimmed Standard Range Model 3 variants. However, Tesla stopped charging for heated rear seats in 2022.

I must have missed that. Or just not given any credence to it.

your xwitter-like regurgitation of fanboi marketing claptrap would be a *touch* more persuasive if you were at base familiar with. either Tesla or other manufacturers processes, strategies, and divergent business models.

instead, it just comes across as more 160-character level of insight

We'll see just how close your prognostications oh might one.

By the way, have you configured your vehicle yet?

 

[Gene]

And you can be sure that you will get all the features in the Rubicon on day 1. But never any more.

I think he means the Rubicon trail in California.

 

[cvalue13]

We'll see just how close your prognostications oh might one.

Don’t confuse that with merely a confident refutation of YOUR poorly supporter assertions.

I’m confident only because this stuff is industry adjacent to my business and it’s ~my job to know more than the average bear.

Plenty of people know more than me, and I when I meet them I listen.

By the way, have you configured your vehicle yet?

Was this supposed to be some weird “I’m rubber you’re glue” sort of dig that makes me feel bad that you’re closer to having a CT than me?

But to answer your question, no. I haven’t received an invite. Instead, social media fanboi influencers with later reservations than mine have. Go figure - must be what’s “best for the planet,” right?

And when I do receive my invite, I don’t know yet if I’ll convert. (Certainly won’t if it’s an FS invite.)

Many reasons for that at the moment, but key among them:

(a) I’m in a relatively privileged position of having a Lightning at original release MSRP, when trade-in values were bubbled, at 2.7% interest, and loving the truck - it’s the best F150 Ford’s ever built, ICE or BEV. So, with me in particular the Ct has to be particularly compelling to make the move reasonable (but I’m prone to YOLO).

and

(b) I’ve been in, ridden in, Cybertrucks, and have that going for me in my personal buying decision compared to use/sight-unseen buyers.


It’s a very compelling product, especially for anyone looking for a BEV truck that doesn’t have one yet. And, it’s as a product and concept that’s adjacent to my business, so either way I watch carefully.

I’ll likely buy one (or have one otherwise), one way or another at some point - the question is really just whether it’ll be anytime soon, all things considered.

I’ll mean while cheer on the beta-testers. I get it, it’s fun, was just there with being on of the first 3 delivered in TX.

 

[REM]

The only failsafe I'd want, is that only people who know how lockers operate should be allowed to engage them.

But that's the $1mil question, isn't it? How does Tesla enable this while also maintaining their high degree of safety and reliability?

Let's use traction control as an example of what happens when you allow the public to turn it off:
Watch This Tesla Model 3 Spin Out And Crash In Dyno Mode

If I'm not mistaken, this dude (along with at least one other) crashed his car in less than 24 hours that the mode was discovered deep in the Service Mode; prompting a swift OTA to remove access to it.

 

[REM]

There no incorrect manner except for driver error.

I think what a lot of people are missing here is the need to design the system to be permissive, yet dummy proof at the same time. Telsa doesn't need the negative press of people absolutely destroying their truck because they were too zealous without the forethought of learning how and when to use locking diffs.

The software design around failsafes like this are far more complex and rigorous than anyone here seems to give credit. Tesla's reputation is on the line, and they aren't going to compromise their position for the sake of a somewhat niche feature.

 

[Cybertruck 1974]

I think what a lot of people are missing here is the need to design the system to be permissive, yet dummy proof at the same time. Telsa doesn't need the negative press of people absolutely destroying their truck because they were too zealous without the forethought of learning how and when to use locking diffs.

The software design around failsafes like this are far more complex and rigorous than anyone here seems to give credit. Tesla's reputation is on the line, and they aren't going to compromise their position for the sake of a somewhat niche feature.

Right and that's why there are measures in place while using lockers Tesla installes and that's been evident in many manufacturers going back many years. To not have them operational to a purchaser of the truck is wrong and that's why I posted this thread.