Buy outright? Or lease

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I feel your risk assessment, and my only experience with a standard lease on a BMW was not pleasant, but I was turning it in after the 24 mo period.
I think I’m going to give this a try, as too many people have done the quick buyout with no issues.
Just make sure the lease is thru Tesla or Chase before accepting the agreement. If it is thru someone else I would give them a call to verify they are allowing buyouts. The Interest rate on a cybertruck lease is near 10% so its only a good option to get the rebate and then to refinance it.
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Leases are for guys who cannot do math or don’t care about money - leases are always more expensive than buying a car for cash if you keep the car for more than three to four years —— try leasing a car for a year and see what it costs - the first year depreciation will be in the lease . The best economic decision is to buy a car and keep it for 10 years plus and get past the initial large depreciation cost as eventually the yearly depreciated slows to a crawl on almost all cars.

if interest rates are less than the historical growth in the equity markets of 7% - than borrowing the money makes sense but to avoid getting buried in the car from depreciation I have always put down 50% so I will have equity despite the depreciation. Worse position is to not have the income to make the payment and depreciation has reduced the equity below the bank loan which requires a payment to cover the loan.
 

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under today’s scenario, if a personal acquisition you’re best off leasing and immediately buying out the lease. You trade $1,000 in lease fees (initiation/disposition) for a $7,500 commercial EV credit leaving you $6,500 ahead regardless of options or trim level.
Dennis on YT has posted lot if videos with screenshots of the app showing buyout but every Tesla salesperson and even finance department two times told me this is not allowed have you actually done this have not seen one single person on all of CTOC that has actually completed a lease buyout yet on cybertruck can anyone that's actually done this PLEASE chime in?
 

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Yes, DennisCW was with a guy from his YT channel and he took delivery of a cybertruck with a Chase lease and had the option to buy out almost immediately and received the full 7500 rebate without paying all the payments. The only two that were verified was the tesla and chase leases that are allowing the buyout. That was as of a week ago.
He didn't actually do a lease buyout himself he just posted screenshots from other people showing lease buyout screenshot in the Tesla app or lease buyout papers from chase not official confirmation of the final transaction not one person here has actually posted about actually completing a lease buyout ?

https://www.cybertruckownersclub.co...confirmed-to-work-for-cybertruck-lease.31960/
 

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Which of you have done what? I’m considering just buying it. CT
Unless you get a ripping lease payment (that might include applying the tax credit), the problem with leasing is that you have own nothing after the lease ends. With a purchase, even with EV depreciation being high, you still own an asset you can sell. Normally, at the end of the same number of payments as a lease end, with a loan your truck is going to be have less in remaining payments than its value if you sell it, so you can sell it for a bit of a cash in your pocket - or keep the truck. With a lease the money is just gone and you need a new vehicle.

All depends on the rates, payments, residual lease values, up front amounts, etc.. In other words, it isn't just about the payment. You need to do some math.
 


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Most OEM's have allowed leasing with buyouts on their EV's since the tax law changed in, what, 2022? Commercial EV's qualify for a $7,500 incentive under the IRA regardless of price. So a captive or non-captive leasing transaction is a B2B sale which qualifies for the $7,500 commercial EV credit - most leasing companies pass a good chunk of this along to customers either through inflated residuals, lower upfront payments, etc. The rub is there are always lease initiation and disposition fees. Now that Tesla allows lease buyouts, as pretty much every other OEM does, the exception is available to use by anyone - same as if you leased an F150 lightning, Hummer EV, Lyriq, EV9, etc.

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For me, the whole buy outright vs lease debate always comes down to risk and flexibility - if I’m not 100% sure I’ll keep something long-term, I’d rather “test drive” it first instead of locking myself in. That’s actually the same logic I use with online casino stuff and gambling games of chance: before putting in my own money, I prefer starting with something low-risk, like real money games backed by a no-deposit bonus. That’s why I often point people to https://magyarkaszinooldalak.com/kaszino-bonuszok/befizetes-nelkuli/50-euro/ right in the middle of the conversation, because an 50€ no deposit casino bonus lets you try the platform, games, payouts, and overall vibe without committing your own cash upfront. Just like leasing gives you flexibility and an exit if it’s not for you, this kind of online casino bonus is a smart way to see if the experience is worth it before you “buy in” later. From my experience, making decisions this way - whether it’s cars, gear, or real money gambling - saves a lot of regret down the road.
for me, i’ve figured out that leasing an EV can be smart, especially with the $7,500 commercial EV credit under the IRA. most OEMs and leasing companies structure deals to pass some of that incentive along, either through lower upfront payments or adjusted residuals. i’d carefully check the lease initiation and disposition fees, because those can add up. now that most OEMs, including tesla, allow lease buyouts, i could test the vehicle, then buy it if it works for me - almost like getting the best of both worlds. personally, i’d also factor in savings on accessories or extra features, because the money saved upfront can go right back into customizing the EV.
 
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agree that buying outright is the way you go. its the only way to win the ICE argument that “EVs are dirtier to make than an ICE car” (its like these people buy cars and then immediately shrink wrap them and never turn them on)

anyway….saved up to buy mine with cash, then they came out with 0% APR. so I got the best of both worlds and now my pile of cash can work as its being slowly doled out!
 

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FYI if you're in Texas, you're forced to capitalize the entire sales tax of the vehicle (6.25%) for the initial lease term, and you have to pay sales tax again on any buy-out amount.

So even with the expired $7,500/$6,500 lease incentives, the math just doesn't work out if you're in Texas.
 

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under today’s scenario, if a personal acquisition you’re best off leasing and immediately buying out the lease. You trade $1,000 in lease fees (initiation/disposition) for a $7,500 commercial EV credit leaving you $6,500 ahead regardless of options or trim level.
Yep, same as buying outright but cheaper IF you have a business with a profit objective and an actual use for the vehicle.
 

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Leases are for guys who cannot do math or don’t care about money - leases are always more expensive than buying a car for cash if you keep the car for more than three to four years —— try leasing a car for a year and see what it costs - the first year depreciation will be in the lease . The best economic decision is to buy a car and keep it for 10 years plus and get past the initial large depreciation cost as eventually the yearly depreciated slows to a crawl on almost all cars.

if interest rates are less than the historical growth in the equity markets of 7% - than borrowing the money makes sense but to avoid getting buried in the car from depreciation I have always put down 50% so I will have equity despite the depreciation. Worse position is to not have the income to make the payment and depreciation has reduced the equity below the bank loan which requires a payment to cover the loan.
100% correct except the loan part - paying the man for money is always a bad decision, will cause the borrower/lessee to have less money in the end. If you cannot afford to pay cash for a luxury, don't buy it. Using transportation capital to speculate on the equity market is also a losers game. Even the fund manager professionals consistently underperform. Individual investors rarely meet or beat the market. Que the "I bought my Tesla with TSLA gains" crowd An exception does not disprove the rule.
 


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100% correct except the loan part - paying the man for money is always a bad decision, will cause the borrower/lessee to have less money in the end. If you cannot afford to pay cash for a luxury, don't buy it. Using transportation capital to speculate on the equity market is also a losers game. Even the fund manager professionals consistently underperform. Individual investors rarely meet or beat the market. Que the "I bought my Tesla with TSLA gains" crowd An exception does not disprove the rule.
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I had a coworker that used to work at SpaceX. He happened to be online at 1:30 am when Elon sent a company-wide email offering something like $1500 credit for any employees that bought a Tesla in the next 24 hours. So without much thought my buddy sends a reply “does this apply for leases?” and immediately got a response along the lines of “only idiots lease cars!”

He wasn’t at SpaceX much longer….

I think the general rule is unless you are senior management and really have your shit together, it’s best if Elon doesn’t know your name. A late night stupid email is probably not the best way to avoid violating that.
 

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I had a coworker that used to work at SpaceX. He happened to be online at 1:30 am when Elon sent a company-wide email offering something like $1500 credit for any employees that bought a Tesla in the next 24 hours. So without much thought my buddy sends a reply “does this apply for leases?” and immediately got a response along the lines of “only idiots lease cars!”

He wasn’t at SpaceX much longer….

I think the general rule is unless you are senior management and really have your shit together, it’s best if Elon doesn’t know your name. A late night stupid email is probably not the best way to avoid violating that.
A simple question like that got him fired? Potentially? That’s pretty crazy. Leases still count as a “sale” don’t they?
 

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A simple question like that got him fired? Potentially? That’s pretty crazy. Leases still count as a “sale” don’t they?
No, it didn’t get him fired. It did get him noticed and he did leave not long after. Years later he has returned to SpaceX so he obviously wasn’t blacklisted.

But I thought it was a good story. I’m not sure what he expected but it wasn’t an immediate reply from Elon.
 

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No, it didn’t get him fired. It did get him noticed and he did leave not long after. Years later he has returned to SpaceX so he obviously wasn’t blacklisted.

But I thought it was a good story. I’m not sure what he expected but it wasn’t an immediate reply from Elon.
Well that’s good to hear. Props to him for getting hired there twice. I’m applying now and it’s all crickets so far.
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