Ordered a Rivian R1T after owning a Cybertruck for three months

[Balthezor]

I hate the front end so much, I don't even consider getting one. I'm sure they are cool. But the front looks like Miss Piggy. I can't do it dude.

OINK!

 

[ChiTownCT]

I hate the front end so much, I don't even consider getting one. I'm sure they are cool. But the front looks like Miss Piggy. I can't do it dude.




OINK!

Agreed, I think the SUV looks great from all sides, just not the front.

 

[Gene]

Because it's an opinion you don't like? You think he joined this forum over a year ago, made 90+ comments, just to post an "ad" now?

Hey JRP, nice to see you here. Miss your posts on TMC.

 

[CyberGus]

unusual designed headlights (some think are goofy looking)

I cannot get past those headlights, ewww

looks like the front light bar and headlights were designed by the manufacturer of Dyson oval fans

I hate the front end so much

I think the SUV looks great from all sides, just not the front

Y’all are pretty judgy, given you drive a rusty triangle

 

[EricM]

Have you checked with other Rivian owners for their experienced 'real world range'?

I owned a Rivian for over a year and 12k miles before I traded it for my CT. Real world range (vs EPA ratings) was similar to other EVs I own/have owned (Tesla Model X, Lucid Air Grand Touring). Where Rivian excels is in their trip planner… when you start a trip in a Rivian, you will confidently arrive with 110% of the estimated remaining range at your destination compared to the overly optimistic Tesla estimates that often result in an extra charging stop on a road trip.

 

[Knucklehead]

We’ve real world towed our airstream 4 different trips this year with our R1S and rarely do we need to drop the trailer as most of the stations in the small rural towns on our routes aren’t being that utilized to have anyone complain that you are blocking a couple of stalls or partial block of the drive. Any of the pull through stations are super nice and we are surprised on how many there are especially with the RAN (Rivian) sites yet not expected and we always anticipate a little bit of a finagle of a situation to charge without in hooking. I think most of you will be pleasantly surprised on how much you actually can get away with when actually doing road trips with a trailer and a front charge port that is.

If you clean off the snow you will get better efficiency.

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[Obecalb]

Enjoy your Rivian!

Unfortunately, it costs Rivian more to make each vehicle than they can sell them for. They have been whittling away at the cost to produce, but they are getting to the point where it's going to be harder to eliminate all losses.

Not that's not your problem as long as they keep the doors open, I mention it because the price is artificial and unsustainable. It's fake competition that cannot sustain itself. But as long as Rivian can keep getting more cash lifelines (like they just did from VW), they will keep making them in relatively small numbers. The problem from a consumer perspective happens if and when the cash dries up. Because there is no guarantee they will ever be able to compete with other automakers without investor subsidies.

I'm not trying to throw shade, I'm just being realistic with what I'm seeing about the way they operate. Hopefully they are able to increase manufacturing efficiencies, so they get to not only gross profit, but also eventually a net profit. Tesla in the early days was profitable on a gross basis almost every quarter. Meaning each additional car they sold helped them out financially, even though they were still losing money overall (because they weren't selling enough cars at a high enough gross profit). Rivian is the opposite, each additional car they sell causes bigger losses. Yes, the gross loss per car has declined dramaitcally, but there should have been gross profits per car from near the beginning. Elon always believed there was no point in selling a car for less than it cost you to make it, that you should sell cars designed to cost less to make than they were worth on the free market. Anyone can build nice cars, the question is can they be built for less than their actual market value?

I would like to see Rivian remain in business for the long haul.

I think the R2 will be Rivian's financial lifeline similar to the model 3 for Tesla. VW's investment should help them bridge to that production (I am invested in both Rivian and Tesla as I think they are both great innovators). All these cars are incredibly expensive to build in low volume, even the cybertruck is doubtfully anywhere close to profitable at their current production rate. I have an R2 order in for my wife as it is more her style and I am really interested in comparing the two platforms. I suspect from what I have seen and heard that Tesla's experience will still be way better. But, at the end of the day there is only one Cybertruck and I honestly don't think anyone will ever make something like it again. It is truly a unique and, in my opinion, amazing vehicle.

 

[rhinoc]

I think some of the graphics are cool but the software seems a little janky still. I know this can happen to any car but this isn't the first time I've seen this with Rivians and Lightnings.

 

[g7bupw9z]

I've had my Cybertruck for three months. Last week, I ordered a 2025 Rivian R1T Adventure Dual Max with an estimated range of 420 miles. I'm expecting delivery of my Rivian in Sep-Oct.

I'm plan on keeping my Cybertruck for at least a year. Hopefully they won't have to be in for service at the same time.

I'm anticipating the R1T to have 30% more range than my Cybertruck. This extended range battery doesn't take up space in the load bed like the Cybertruck's range extender. The Rivian offers two additional advantages. When towing with the Cybertruck, we have to drop the trailer in order to back up to the Supercharger. On the Rivian, the charging port is in front of the front wheels, meaning we can pull straight in up to the charger. The Rivian can charge at many of the Superchargers that I use on a regular basis. Also, the Rivian has storage space for a full size spare tire, like most other pickups. The spare tire in my Cybertruck takes up half of the load bed. Both the Cybertruck and Rivian have a maximum towing capacity of 11,000 pounds. For the reasons stated above, the Rivian will definitely be my towing vehicle of choice.

The R1T Gen 2 truck includes Rivian's Autonomy Platform+ (Trial included through 2024), which includes 11 high-resolution cameras, including new 4K HDR units, ultrasonic sensors, and five advanced radars, including a Front Imaging Radar, detecting objects up to 1,000-feet away even in challenging weather and lighting conditions. These radars serve as a vital backup to the cameras. I liked having radar and ultrasonic sensors on my Model 3. I like having sensors that can see in unfavorable conditions.

Dual NVIDIA DRIVE Orin processors running DRIVE OS help power the Autonomy Compute Module on Rivian's second generation R1, performing over 250 trillion operations per second. Tesla is ahead of Rivian with FSD v.12, but Rivian had the hardware needed to catch up.

The price of the R1T Dual-motor AWD is $69,900, plus $14,000 for the Max battery, for a total of $83,900.
For more info, see https://stories.rivian.com/meet-the-new-r1

Wrong forum. You didn't belong here.

 

[CyberTW]

Wrong forum. You didn't belong here.

The moment they touted Rivian’s “Autonomy features”, I immediately stopped reading….

 

[g7bupw9z]

The moment they touted Rivian’s “Autonomy features”, I immediately stopped reading….

Those who don't understand what makes a Tesla a Tesla shouldn't waste other people's time.

Those who claim other EVs' software is "on par with Tesla's" clearly don't understand Tesla's comprehensive ecosystem. Their statement saves me time - I know not to bother reading further. Tesla isn't just features; it's an integrated, evolving experience that's miles ahead. Appreciate the quick red flag, though!

 

[SwampNut]

I gave up waiting for the CT and got a 2022 Launch Edition R1T. The lack of Autopilot on city streets is terrible. Here are my notes so far on the good/bad compromises.

Rivian Tesla comparison





Missing in comparison to Tesla:





Autopilot on streets.


Not charging notification when at home.


Left doors/trunk/etc open too long.


Charger senses plug temperature, and adjusts.


Much better air filtration no dust.


Texting.


Cruise auto set to limit +X.


Open doors with button.


Automatic turn signal management.


Automatic calendar appointment routing.


Water bottle holders in doors.


AC vents








Tesla is missing:


Charger ratings and issues.


iPhone Live Activity on lock screen with charger data.


Rivian is much quieter.


Air conditioner has floor vents, and also automatically remembers to always turn on the rear seat cooling.

 

[SwampNut]

Those who don't understand what makes a Tesla a Tesla shouldn't waste other people's time.

Those who claim other EVs' software is "on par with Tesla's" clearly don't understand Tesla's comprehensive ecosystem. Their statement saves me time - I know not to bother reading further. Tesla isn't just features; it's an integrated, evolving experience that's miles ahead. Appreciate the quick red flag, though!

I tell this to Rivian people all the time. It's the same reason that the Apple ecosystem keeps people in it; cohesive, always works, and you never have to wonder if doing X will cause Y problem due to immature integration. Sometimes this gets me called a Tesla fanboi.

 

[g7bupw9z]

I gave up waiting for the CT and got a 2022 Launch Edition R1T. The lack of Autopilot on city streets is terrible. Here are my notes so far on the good/bad compromises.

Rivian Tesla comparison





Missing in comparison to Tesla:





Autopilot on streets.


Not charging notification when at home.


Left doors/trunk/etc open too long.


Charger senses plug temperature, and adjusts.


Much better air filtration no dust.


Texting.


Cruise auto set to limit +X.


Open doors with button.


Automatic turn signal management.


Automatic calendar appointment routing.


Water bottle holders in doors.


AC vents








Tesla is missing:


Charger ratings and issues.


iPhone Live Activity on lock screen with charger data.


Rivian is much quieter.


Air conditioner has floor vents, and also automatically remembers to always turn on the rear seat cooling.

A very comprehensive list of missing features indeed. However, I believe we should also consider Tesla's groundbreaking design philosophy and integral approach to structural integrity and build processes.

It's worth remembering that bed-on-frame construction was first invented for horse-drawn carriages. Do we really need to cling to such an antiquated concept in the age of electric vehicles?

Tesla's unibody design and innovative manufacturing techniques represent a significant leap forward in automotive engineering. They've reimagined not just the features of a car, but the fundamental way we approach vehicle construction and design.

This holistic approach to vehicle architecture is as crucial to Tesla's superiority as any list of features. It's not just about what the car can do, but how it's built from the ground up to maximize efficiency, performance, and safety.

So while feature comparisons are valuable, let's not lose sight of the bigger picture: Tesla isn't just adding bells and whistles to an old concept. They're redefining what a car can be.

 

[CyberTW]

A very comprehensive list of missing features indeed. However, I believe we should also consider Tesla's groundbreaking design philosophy and integral approach to structural integrity and build processes.

It's worth remembering that bed-on-frame construction was first invented for horse-drawn carriages. Do we really need to cling to such an antiquated concept in the age of electric vehicles?

Tesla's unibody design and innovative manufacturing techniques represent a significant leap forward in automotive engineering. They've reimagined not just the features of a car, but the fundamental way we approach vehicle construction and design.

This holistic approach to vehicle architecture is as crucial to Tesla's superiority as any list of features. It's not just about what the car can do, but how it's built from the ground up to maximize efficiency, performance, and safety.

So while feature comparisons are valuable, let's not lose sight of the bigger picture: Tesla isn't just adding bells and whistles to an old concept. They're redefining what a car can be.

Don’t forget the build is to eliminate parts and drive costs down, thus being able to sell them for cheaper and make more margin to help the business… as Elon said, pinching pennies… every bolt they eliminate adds up in millions of cars, supplier payments, personnel to manage the buying process…