Ordered a Rivian R1T after owning a Cybertruck for three months

[MotoBenelli]

We’ve real world towed our airstream 4 different trips this year with our R1S and rarely do we need to drop the trailer as most of the stations in the small rural towns on our routes aren’t being that utilized to have anyone complain that you are blocking a couple of stalls or partial block of the drive. Any of the pull through stations are super nice and we are surprised on how many there are especially with the RAN (Rivian) sites yet not expected and we always anticipate a little bit of a finagle of a situation to charge without in hooking. I think most of you will be pleasantly surprised on how much you actually can get away with when actually doing road trips with a trailer and a front charge port that is.

 

[RayzorBEV]

I suffered from CEAS; Chronic Early Adapter Syndrome. I love to own new and innovative stuff?. Tesla, Rivian, Zero, Aptera, Polestar, and I spent a lot of money because of CEAS. So, with that out of the way, I sincerely hope that you live near a Rivian service center because you are going to need frequent visit to fix even minor issues. Rivian claims to privide mobile services but unlike Tesla, their Mobile service can't or not allow to do body panel adjustments, electrical trouble shooting and minor parts replacement. All these must be done at a "near by" service center. For me, that's over 450 miles away. I have owned 3 Rivians to date; 2 R1T QM and a R1S QM and each required 4-5 trips to the service centers and these long road trips are wearing me out. Three things Rivians could do better to improve ownership experience are: 1, just do a better QC job at the factory or service center where they prep their vehicles prior to delivery; two, increase their numbers of service centers if "1" is not possible; 3, expand their mobile service teams and allow them to do body panels, software diagnosis and hardware repair. All three of my Rivians has build quality issues from day one and are plagued with fit and finish problems. Body panel misalignment everywhere, air suspension issues (not level left to right despite numerous attempted repairs), wind noises, rattles and squeaks, harsh suspension ride, noisy suspension, poor Driver + software (problem areas varies from vehicle to vehicle of course, some are built better than others). At the end of the day, I still own 2 Rivians and pre-ordered a R2 (will get their Tri-motor) but I'm starting to gravitate back to Tesla due to being near a service center (within walking distance), a robust mobile service offering, more advance software and hardware (years ahead of Rivian). I've owned a M3 DM, MY LR, and recently I have added a Cyberbeast, a refreshed M3 Performance and today I'll be ordering a Model X Plaid to replace my R1S. To each his own, just be aware that Rivian has only been selling EVs for around 3 years. Think back where Tesla was and all the issues they've had 3 years into their EV productions, Rivian is going through the same growing pain, without exceptions.
Best of luck!

 

[justinpratt]

I’ve been to a number of supercharging stations that have a stand alone charger aside from the row of chargers for vehicles which are towing a trailer.

 

[fgaryamy]

It’s also driven by frustration when you can only tow a trailer for two hours before needing to stop, drop the trailer, charge for an hour, and hook back up before continuing. Short trips are no problem.

Wow! the charge for an hour part is terrible. I was speaking from my experience with MY where charge is seldom over 20 minutes for a 2 hour stretch. I generally stop evert 2 hours anyway, but 1 hour charge must be a 70% add. Are you down to only 10% after 2 hours nd charge back up to 90% ? What is the range pulling your rig? It seems that if super chargers are available using the 10% to 80% range for each charge would be more stops but less time overall. Problem there is the hook and unhook more times would eat up your gains. Just thinking out loud here. So now the unhook and hookk up issue raises its ungly head. I've yet to pull anything with my CT, so I'm really haven;'t experienced the range and hookup issues. Why can't we make an extension cable for the supercharger? Just the male and female connectors on two ends of a 6 ga extension cord? Like I use for my portable welder.

 

[scottf200]

PEOPLE the forum has a section for competitors. Why is that so hard for people to GET? If you don't want to read from that section then ignore it. So silly. Be open-minded. There is competitor sections on ALL car forums. It is perfectly normal.

• Forums - > Main - > Cybertruck Versus...

Two observations:

1) RJ isn't Elon. It's not even close, and that isn't throwing shade on RJ.
2) Elon built Tesla as a start-up and still runs it like a start-up. Every cost is reviewed and reduced in Tesla. The same can't be said for Rivian.

Therefore, I am of the opinion that Rivian will go bankrupt. It's not a matter of if but rather when.
...

I do NOT understand why people do not remember that the financially stable Tesla that is today was absolutely not like that in its equivalent early days. It's like people think Tesla started off in perfect shape and forever has been in perfect shape. It is bizarre to me.

"On Tuesday, Tesla CEO Elon Musk tweeted that his electric car company had been about a month away from bankruptcy in recent years when it was still figuring out how to mass produce the Model 3 electric sedan.
Nov 3, 2020"
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/03/mus...onth-from-bankruptcy-during-model-3-ramp.html

 

[scottf200]

We’ve real world towed our airstream 4 different trips this year with our R1S and rarely do we need to drop the trailer as most of the stations in the small rural towns on our routes aren’t being that utilized to have anyone complain that you are blocking a couple of stalls or partial block of the drive. Any of the pull through stations are super nice and we are surprised on how many there are especially with the RAN (Rivian) sites yet not expected and we always anticipate a little bit of a finagle of a situation to charge without in hooking. I think most of you will be pleasantly surprised on how much you actually can get away with when actually doing road trips with a trailer and a front charge port that is.

Too bad it is not in the front RIGHT tho so that it does not take up two stalls.

 

[Arctic_White]

PEOPLE the forum has a section for competitors. Why is that so hard for people to GET? If you don't want to read from that section then ignore it. So silly. Be open-minded. There is competitor sections on ALL car forums. It is perfectly normal.

• Forums - > Main - > Cybertruck Versus...

I do NOT understand why people do not remember that the financially stable Tesla that is today was absolutely not like that in its equivalent early days. It's like people think Tesla started off in perfect shape and forever has been in perfect shape. It is bizarre to me.

"On Tuesday, Tesla CEO Elon Musk tweeted that his electric car company had been about a month away from bankruptcy in recent years when it was still figuring out how to mass produce the Model 3 electric sedan.
Nov 3, 2020"
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/03/mus...onth-from-bankruptcy-during-model-3-ramp.html

Precisely. Tesla barely scaped bankruptcy despite having Elon at the helm, being in a low-interest rate environment, and not having as much competition as Rivian is facing today.

People keep hoping and praying that Rivian will stay afloat. Well, don't count on it based on all the evidence that we have in front of us.

 

[scottf200]

Precisely. Tesla barely scaped bankruptcy despite having Elon at the helm, being in a low-interest rate environment, and not having as much competition as Rivian is facing today.

People keep hoping and praying that Rivian will stay afloat. Well, don't count on it based on all the evidence that we have in front of us.

Perspective.
VW - This is a MAJOR boost!

 

[CybertruckRN1127]

Too bad it is not in the front RIGHT tho so that it does not take up two stalls.

I hope they fix that for the R2. It is nice that Tesla opened Superchagers to others so I reserved a R2 and not have to worry about road trips.

 

[Outdoors]

I guess many don't understand CEO's or risk. Bravo? for a survivor for any term in the EV industry.

Here D. Kahneman talks about CEO's:

“Optimism is the engine of capitalism. Overconfidence is a curse. It’s a curse and a blessing. The people who make great things, if you look back, they were overconfident and optimistic — overconfident optimists. They take big risks because they underestimate how big the risks are."
Daniel Kahneman 2002 Nobel Laureate.

Without overconfident CEO's we wouldn't have the Tesla today or many other companies. Yet if you ask him if he could get rid of one thing it would be overconfidence. Yet I would ask Dan the man the following. Are you saying that now as society exists today? Pretty easy to rest on the laurels of the risk takers of the past.

Elon and others would say risks will keep us from being a dying society, and we have many more problems to solve.

So I won't buy a Dyson. Yet I applaud the efforts.

 

[CyberdDriversEd]

I've had my Cybertruck for three months. Last week, I ordered a 2025 Rivian R1T Adventure Dual Max with an estimated range of 420 miles. I'm expecting delivery of my Rivian in Sep-Oct.

I'm plan on keeping my Cybertruck for at least a year. Hopefully they won't have to be in for service at the same time.

I'm anticipating the R1T to have 30% more range than my Cybertruck. This extended range battery doesn't take up space in the load bed like the Cybertruck's range extender. The Rivian offers two additional advantages. When towing with the Cybertruck, we have to drop the trailer in order to back up to the Supercharger. On the Rivian, the charging port is in front of the front wheels, meaning we can pull straight in up to the charger. The Rivian can charge at many of the Superchargers that I use on a regular basis. Also, the Rivian has storage space for a full size spare tire, like most other pickups. The spare tire in my Cybertruck takes up half of the load bed. Both the Cybertruck and Rivian have a maximum towing capacity of 11,000 pounds. For the reasons stated above, the Rivian will definitely be my towing vehicle of choice.

The R1T Gen 2 truck includes Rivian's Autonomy Platform+ (Trial included through 2024), which includes 11 high-resolution cameras, including new 4K HDR units, ultrasonic sensors, and five advanced radars, including a Front Imaging Radar, detecting objects up to 1,000-feet away even in challenging weather and lighting conditions. These radars serve as a vital backup to the cameras. I liked having radar and ultrasonic sensors on my Model 3. I like having sensors that can see in unfavorable conditions.

Dual NVIDIA DRIVE Orin processors running DRIVE OS help power the Autonomy Compute Module on Rivian's second generation R1, performing over 250 trillion operations per second. Tesla is ahead of Rivian with FSD v.12, but Rivian had the hardware needed to catch up.

The price of the R1T Dual-motor AWD is $69,900, plus $14,000 for the Max battery, for a total of $83,900.
For more info, see https://stories.rivian.com/meet-the-new-r1

I own an R1S - I like it but the CT ride is better. Also - the entry height is more comfortable. I wish Rivian would have installed grab straps or bars on the pillars - it's a bit of a climb to enter. The range is almost absolute - but is poor. for an EV. I get about 2.4 miles per kWh - normal driving. The range estimator is spot on - if it says you'll go 310 miles - you'll go every bit of 310 miles. However, DC fast charging speed has not been stellar based on my experience.
To be honest - I didn't think I'd like the CT as much as I do.
TBH - I don't see the real advantage of paying extra for the Max Pack. That's a lot of extra weight to be carrying around - charging infrastructure will do nothing but improve. I've only ever charged at a DC fast charger as more of a test than necessity. I get it - towing is going to suck down the battery - but unless you're going 150 miles somewhere when towing - I wouldn't pay the extra money.

 

[CyberTruckeeTheOne]

Still trying to figure out why there are so many people that need more range… who drives 300+ mile stretches without any access to recharge… ?

You have obviously not been to that swath of Northeast Nevada, off beaten paths of Idaho, Montana, Alberta, BC -- or where there is just destination charger and you have already watched one Netflix movie and you have to watch 2 more to finish charging.

And I have to leave my RV as there is not enough charging infrastructure not to run out juice in between.

 

[CyberTruckeeTheOne]

Calm down fan boiz!

Let freedom of expression reigns.

If you don't like it, skip and shut the f up.

We are at least learning.

 

[txtravwill]

I came the other direction, got rid of my Rivian R1T. Could go on a while about it, did love the look. It is definitely a lot smaller, bed looses a lot of value being so short, the gear tunnel is overrated IMHO, but the frunk is nice and large overall.

The inside was nice and comfy, did have some rattles in time. The software isn't that great, pretty looking but navigation horrible, driver aid system currently horrible, and the audio options were bad. Navigation was a deal breaker by far in that area. Liked having a driver display but it was just what you go, no customization yet.

It's definitely smaller, and the CT rides a lot smoother/better. The range was great on Rivian I'd say (had the quad motor) and it was pretty accurate usually. The truck did seem delicate also sort of like CT sometimes, but it had a lot of things like tailgate that would rip off on the top, and the interior while super nice still wasn't perfect. The panels of the actual exterior are very thin/delicate for at truck so be careful.

I ultimately got rid of mine as it was in the shop most of ownership, more than any other vehicle I had. Always an electronic module or similar going out, from keys not working due to a bluetooth model behind door handle to communication module, the drive unit sensors, etc. They rate towards the end of the list still so hope the new generation becomes more reliable and they do well (still have some stock hehe).

 

[CyberGus]

Rivian owners are the worst.

Except for the perverted heathens driving Cyberbeasts, they’re the worst for sure