F-150 Lighting EV Cancelled. To be Replaced by EREV Hybrid Lightning

[CyberTrk]

I hope Tesla will make a smaller version of the Semi as a heavy duty Class 4, 5, or 6 truck (like F-450, 5500 Ram, etc.) with dual rear wheels (dually) and the possibility to instal a Gooseneck Hitch.

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[SCTesla]

I hope Tesla will make a smaller version of the Semi as a heavy duty Class 4, 5, or 6 truck (like F-450, 5500 Ram, etc.) with dual rear wheels (dually) and the possibility to instal a Gooseneck Hitch.

I can almost guarantee they will not.

Elon said they may not even release the MYXL in the US as they are pivoting to RTs.

 

[REM]

A lot of people do not count the logistical time involved in charging while towing. A bigger battery saves a lot of time due to reduced logistical overhead.

1) Pulling off the highway into the charging station (5 mins)
2) Finding a free charger (1-2 mins)
3) Very likely parking and disconnecting the trailer (10 mins)
4) Charging (Wont count as its not overhead)
5) Reattaching trailer (10 mins)

You are adding between 15 to 30 minutes each charging stop. It adds up quick for a road trip. After 6 charge stops you could lose 2-3 hours per day. This is exactly what happened to me when I did a long distance trip with a 24ft cargo trailer. If you are on unlimited time like full-time RVing or retired, its no big deal. If your vacation time is limited its a huge problem.

This will get much better in due time when vastly more superchargers become available. I know in the past 2 years alone I've seen a LOT more trailer accessible spaces springing up.

Either way, the fact of the matter is that the overwhelming majority of people traveling in EVs are not towing.

 

[mongo]

I almost never have to disconnect the trailer on a road trip while towing. - about 1 or 2 out of ten times. However, that’s partly because there are so many open chargers that I sometimes can block a few without inconveniencing anyone.

Point was a Supercharger spot can cost as much as a night's camping.

 

[mongo]

Hybrid is for insecure & unsure people. Now, I feel so brave for switching to EV since 2016.

Physics doesn't care about bravery. 1,200Wh/mile means 100 mile max range. 900Wh/mile means 137 miles.
All highway at >1,400 Wh/mile? 88 miles.
Something to be said for 33.7kWh/gallon, even if it's inefficient .

 

[TheLastStarfighter]

Tesla should absolutely make a shorter 3-row SUV version of the Cybertruck.

I think this could be a very successful vehicle, like the Rivian R1S outselling the R1T over three times.

Not everyone has the use of a pickup truck, while a roomy cabin version would be very popular.

Also all the other Tesla models have two versions using the same platform.

That's the best render of a CUV I've seen, and boy would I buy that in a heartbeat!

 

[L3it3R]

Hybrids are not the answer. The ONLY exception I’d make are ones like the Volt or the upcoming harvester Scout because they use generators instead of driving wheels via ICE. That said, I’ll never buy another hybrid. (My last was a Volvo XC60 T8) It’s the worst of both worlds. Carrying around batteries and electric motors when you’re in ICE mode, or fuel and ICE engine when you’re in EV mode. I’ve done it. I’ll never make that mistake again.

 

[SCTesla]

Hybrids are not the answer. The ONLY exception I’d make are ones like the Volt or the upcoming harvester Scout because they use generators instead of driving wheels via ICE. That said, I’ll never buy another hybrid. (My last was a Volvo XC60 T8) It’s the worst of both worlds. Carrying around batteries and electric motors when you’re in ICE mode, or fuel and ICE engine when you’re in EV mode. I’ve done it. I’ll never make that mistake again.

Ford is doing the same as Scout.

 

[TyPope]

Ford Quits EVs

 

[mongo]

Ford is doing the same as Scout.

And RAM

 

[BlueLightning]

This news changed my feelings about my ownership 0%

This is actually Carvana delivering a Lightning. You need a picture of one on a AAA flatbed.

Oh it was nice until that day, 🪫 then the next day 🪫, then the next month 🪫, then few months later. And again month later. The psyche can only take so much, but got a good deal on Carvana LOL. Take it good riddance.

Powertrain Malfunction was “Smurf” for Ford it could mean anything is wrong and the Lightning’s computer and components couldn’t complete the circuit?

Ford got tired of seeing my Lightning in the shop!

 

[YDR37]

Hybrids are not the answer.

Hybrids are probably not the answer in the long term. But I can see why manufacturers might view them as a better answer than pure BEV at this time.

Through the first 11 months of 2025, Ford sold 78,556 EVs, mostly Mustang Mach-Es. Ford EV sales were down by 7.3% from the same period in 2024.

But at the same time, Ford sold 206,497 hybrids. And probably most of those were pickups (F-150s and Mavericks). Ford hybrid sales were up by 19.4% from 2024.

Between F-150, Maverick, Ram, Tundra, and Tacoma, hybrid trucks are already mainstream. In this forum, we regularly comment on the market failure of BEV trucks. And yes, it's true that a very high percentage of American pickup customers have zero interest in something like a Lightning or Cybertruck. But it's a different story with PowerBoost, eTorque, or I-Force.

And realistically, the benefits of today's "mild" hybrid trucks are relatively limited. Tomorrow's EREV trucks (Scout Terra Harvester, Ram 1500 REV, Ford EREV) could potentially be a lot more interesting, with EV-like performance and ICE-like range. Of course, a lot will depend on the pricing (as always).

 

[Fugue]

the Supercharger network is so superior to EA that I have to do zero planning - while range anxiety was a huge deal with the Lightning because you never knew what you were going to find upon arrival at the charger.

This was my experience driving across the country in 2021 in a Chevy Bolt. I stopped more often because sometimes all the chargers at a location were broken, or there would be a line of vehicles waiting to use the one working one.

 

[BengalBoy]

Ford Quits EVs

That's Funny!

 

[dalton108]

Hybrids are probably not the answer in the long term. But I can see why manufacturers might view them as a better answer than pure BEV at this time.

Through the first 11 months of 2025, Ford sold 78,556 EVs, mostly Mustang Mach-Es. Ford EV sales were down by 7.3% from the same period in 2024.

But at the same time, Ford sold 206,497 hybrids. And probably most of those were pickups (F-150s and Mavericks). Ford hybrid sales were up by 19.4% from 2024.

Between F-150, Maverick, Ram, Tundra, and Tacoma, hybrid trucks are already mainstream. In this forum, we regularly comment on the market failure of BEV trucks. And yes, it's true that a very high percentage of American pickup customers have zero interest in something like a Lightning or Cybertruck. But it's a different story with PowerBoost, eTorque, or I-Force.

And realistically, the benefits of today's "mild" hybrid trucks are relatively limited. Tomorrow's EREV trucks (Scout Terra Harvester, Ram 1500 REV, Ford EREV) could potentially be a lot more interesting, with EV-like performance and ICE-like range. Of course, a lot will depend on the pricing (as always).

Besides that, hybrids are not trying to do what Tesla is trying to do. Ford absolutely wants you to still have to have an engine that gets maintained, but until batteries have the required density or the ability to charge a hell of a lot faster, or we have a lot more chargers everywhere anybody wants to be, we are going to have multiple solutions- and that's OK!

So, as I mentioned one application is to eliminate range problems, the second one which folks here seem to not recognize is that enthusiasts are not prepared to give up ice engines for performance, super and hyper cars. Ferrari, McLaren, Bugatti and all the rest have made it clear that they do not intend to lay down and die because electric cars have instant torque and the insane acceleration that comes with it. They're combining those technologies and they're giving their fans the best of both worlds! It's awesome! It being complicated as a feature in that world- not a concern!

So, hybridization is not all about environmentalism it's about playing with technology and solving problems within our current capabilities. I didn't just become a car guy when Elon showed up. I appreciate what he's done and there are places where Tesla deserves to dominate, and will, but there's all kinds of blue water out there. Under Elon, Tesla will never make a motorcycle. But that's not the final word on the subject; LiveWire is doing all kinds of cool stuff and I'm glad they are even though I'm not a motorcycle guy.

I'm just as excited for my Scout as I am for my Aptera, and I hope that Slate knocks it out of the park! Tello is not for me, but they're doing some clever shit and I hope they find great success!

The narrowmindedness so frequently on display here never fails to surprise me. I guess that's on me.

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