Why I'm Getting The F150 Lightning

[Pappy]

The Tesla price without fuel savings is easily visible on the Tesla web page.

The Tesla price you see on the cars at the Tesla store reflex actual trim levels, motors, battery sizes, colors, etc.

There is no direct we will rob you of $10,000 (over 25%) without receiving addition features like what happens with some models at ICE dealers.

Uhhh….exactly what trim levels are you referring to? You get Black or White, standard range or extended range, pick a color and out the door. There are no options or various package levels to add to you model 3. When I asked about trim levels the salesman pointed to the molding around the door frame (no sh* t). All Tesla cars are basically the same, very aerodynamic, which in turn becomes very efficient to end user. If you like that stuff great. Then why are we buying the Cybertruck? Maybe because it’s different? We want something different than everyone else has? I was not impressed at all with the interior of all Tesla Models. I hope the Cybertruck has more to offer.

 

[CyberGus]

 

[CyberGus]

 

[DarinCT]

I've been looking for a spec by spec comparison and all I find is **advertisement** regurgitated text **advertisement** copy-paste **bake formatted specs with no source** etc...

Does anyone have a link to a spec down the side, model across the top, comparison in table format?? Before you drop any of the generic one vs other links, I'm talking about all the different model types

 

[DallasCyberTruck]

Can you let us know when you go to the dealer to get your vehicle, that they (dealer) marked up the price by $10,000 like they're doing now for the Ford Mustang E..

Idiots can’t even spell “adjustment“.

 

[FutureBoy]

Idiots can’t even spell “adjustment“.

And this is part of why my market has made an adjustment to buy from Tesla instead of any automaker that uses dealerships.

 

[John K]

So having done that have you thought about teaching others? I could certainly use some tips.

I can only offer some advice for consideration in this media.

1. You are not entitled to a discount, be respectful
2. They are not entitled to your money, they must be equally respectful
3. You hold leverage, they WANT your money. Financing is still getting your money right away for them. They hold leverage if you must have and do not have options
4. Be prepared to leave the deal on the table and look elsewhere. Sometimes this takes effort.
5. Car dealerships you ask for a set price and do not let them discuss payments, always discuss price.
6. Unless your trade is mostly duct tape, reject the first offer of $1,000. In fact, this is a red flag they want to take advantage of you.
7. To get a discount at places where they do not normally haggle, ask what deals or promotions available to help convince you to buy now. Key point, you are not convinced yet and you put pressure on them to convince you.
8. Identify personality type and approach your communication to their preference and not yours.
Type A outgoing, boisterous, like to know how it benefits them, wants to be the center of attention. Likes large and small gatherings but expects to be served
Type B introvert, quiet but becomes talkative when you become friends and let’s you in, tends to be technical and likes to know the why and how things work, how we use the item. Likes small gatherings and tends to hang out at the edges of a large party in a small group with excursions for drink and food.
Type C customer service oriented, sociable but cares for the group. Motivated by knowing how this will help others. Notices friends drinks are empty and will refill the friends drink while getting their own and asking if anyone needs anything.

We are all a mixture of the three multiplied by our preference of preferring auditory, tactile or visual inputs.

Assessing your salesperson, and tailoring speech to their inputs, how do feel about that, do you see what is needed, Can your hear how awesome the CT is?

BTW, a no response does not cause harm and you expended little to know effort with the upside being a better deal. Mantra, it is no if I do not ask.

You are not entitled to a discount but you are entitled to respect. If you have options, take your money elsewhere. They want your money more than keeping the product and don’t worry if you cannot come to an agreement.

If you are enamored with the product and Need it NOW, wait until another day to make the deal or risk paying higher than you wished.

Lastly, do research beforehand so you may speak intelligently on the product. I often know more about the product than the salesperson but keep my cards hidden.

Other than that, practice, practice…

if this does not resonate, ignore all of it. be confident

 

[John K]

Idiots can’t even spell “adjustment“.

They were too excited marking the price up.

Bring a black sharply and add underneath, -$20,000 for special first year buyers

 

[tidmutt]

They were too excited marking the price up.

Bring a black sharply and add underneath, -$20,000 for special first year buyers

I have a profound distaste for many car dealers, this is one reason why. At the same time, I can't blame them because if someone pays the extra, then they were right.

 

[Tesla4KShares]

If there's a chance you will drive more than 150 miles per day, you will need more than the base model Lightning. With standard battery: 426 hp, 775 lb-ft, and a range of about 230 miles.

Since all EV owner knows, due to battery degradation, one should charge no more than 80% for daily use, that brings it down to 184 miles range realistically.

Since the range is calculated assuming you always drive within the speed limit of a given road and we all know we don't usually follow the speed limit. In reality, you are getting about 150 miles in range.

This is why the Lightning base model is not really practical for most people who will occasionally take a longer day trip, charge their tools or just towing a heavier load. Without a reliable nationwide supercharging network (only Tesla has it), I just don't feel comfortable spending my money on a truck with such limited usage. That's just my opinion. Cheers.

 

[Outlaw1]

If there's a chance you will drive more than 150 miles per day, you will need more than the base model Lightning. With standard battery: 426 hp, 775 lb-ft, and a range of about 230 miles.

Since all EV owner knows, due to battery degradation, one should charge no more than 80% for daily use, that brings it down to 184 miles range realistically.

Since the range is calculated assuming you always drive within the speed limit of a given road and we all know we don't usually follow the speed limit. In reality, you are getting about 150 miles in range.

This is why the Lightning base model is not really practical for most people who will occasionally take a longer day trip, charge their tools or just towing a heavier load. Without a reliable nationwide supercharging network (only Tesla has it), I just don't feel comfortable spending my money on a truck with such limited usage. That's just my opinion. Cheers.

Agreed. And let's not forget cold weather impact if you have winters where you are. Not sure what the range impact may be if running heat in the winter time. The 2021 Chevy Bolt got about 210 at 80% estimated on a good day really was like 150 in the winter... after a commute to work, back home, taking kids to activities and errands in one day running the heat it was a little close. I chose to turn off the heat and only use the seat heat a few times to feel comfortable when range got low. We chose to charge to 90% for less anxiety.

 

[DarinCT]

400 pounds of concrete mix in the frunk... Ha, haha, hahahahahahaha, omg please stop.

Seriously suggest wandering around the the site if you haven't yet
https://www.ford.com/trucks/f150/f150-lightning/2022//
One of the things I noticed over and over was "Let's give a name to a thing as an add-on".

 

[firsttruck]

If there's a chance you will drive more than 150 miles per day, you will need more than the base model Lightning. With standard battery: 426 hp, 775 lb-ft, and a range of about 230 miles.

Since all EV owner knows, due to battery degradation, one should charge no more than 80% for daily use, that brings it down to 184 miles range realistically.

Since the range is calculated assuming you always drive within the speed limit of a given road and we all know we don't usually follow the speed limit. In reality, you are getting about 150 miles in range.

This is why the Lightning base model is not really practical for most people who will occasionally take a longer day trip, charge their tools or just towing a heavier load. Without a reliable nationwide supercharging network (only Tesla has it), I just don't feel comfortable spending my money on a truck with such limited usage. That's just my opinion. Cheers.

Good points but there are three more major categories: weather, terrain, load (even without factoring in towing).

Weather that likely cause measurably range reduction:
cold that causes driver/passengers to use heater
cold that causes EV battery system to use heater
warmth that causes driver/passengers to use cooler
warmth that causes EV battery system to use cooler
rain
snow

Terrain that likely cause measurably range reduction:
Any non-paved road surface (gravel, dirt, brick, cobblestone, etc)
Going up ramps of parking structures
Going down ramps of parking structures (might need to use physical breaks not regen)
Hills/Mountains. Maybe get regen but what if battery runs out before getting to downhill part.
For example: 50 mi level road, then uphill side of hill/mountain (arrive at top with only 25 mi left), then large level plain area at top for next 50 miles or more before get to downhill section.

Loads (even without factoring in towing) that likely cause measurably range reduction:
If stop & go driving, heavy loads.
If high speeds, any size & shape of load that causes more aerodynamic drag

The minimum range needs to be based on vehicle type consumption, location, weather road conditions, terrain, driving speeds.

Just because of load (even without factoring in towing) affects, pickup trucks in general will need higher minimum maximum range than cars and small SUVs

230 mi maximum range is pretty good for cars & small SUVs
230 mi is too low for pickup. Even the 250 mi single motor Cybertruck is low.
I think minimum for pickup truck should be 300 mi.

 

[John K]

I wonder if users know the 400lbs in the Frunk is subtracted for the bed’s payload if used.

 

[Bob Anderson]

Have you thought this through fully?

Free workplace charging is a perk many employers offer their employees to help encourage cleaner commuting and cut commuting expenses. Without specific approval from your company, charging at work and unloading it at home every night to cut your electric bill in half is employee theft of electricity.

It's also terribly inefficient because you will lose at least 10% of the electricity at work due to charging inefficiency and at least 15% due to inverter and wiring inefficiencies when you unload the power at home. So that's over 25% of your bosses electricity that will just vanish in the form of wasted heat. I know as an employer that I would not be happy with that even without the unavoidable wastage.

Employee theft is one of the worst things an employee can do so don't do this without explicit permission to do so.

If it's a perk to get people to use EVs how exactly is it theft? So now I don't get to use all the options on my vehicle because I happen to plug in at work? Do I have drain the entire battery and recharge at home before I can use the bed outlets to cut some wood?? Maybe I shouldn't turn on the radio either because that's stolen electricity?