Speed limit and FSD?

[Jack27]

Seems like LA is where you need FSD. And you don't need the pedal in Montana.

Either way, my note is still true and important: Pedal overrides safety braking and may make it overestimate turns.

-Crissa

Tomorrow Im gunning that thing to 97 on FSD just for you ?

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[Crissa]

Tomorrow Im gunning that thing to 97 on FSD just for you ?

If you end up on the news as the guy who looked away while holding down the pedal and mowed down pedestrians, or missed a turn, don't say I didn't warn you.

-Crissa

 

[Jack27]

If you end up on the news as the guy who looked away while holding down the pedal and mowed down pedestrians, or missed a turn, don't say I didn't warn you.

-Crissa

Bahahaha so dramatic

 

[Dantes]

Yeah, there's a bunch of those facets California bans them from using. Unfortunately time of day isn't one of them.

In my area, there's a bunch of exit lanes which pitch up and away from the freeway sharply after a down hill and those inertial sensors just don't understand at all. The hill is supposed to slow you down! It just makes it feel sharper than it is.

-Crissa

Vision based FSD has a long way to go still. Could probably use more camera's for turning more effectively.

 

[TexasRaider]

On my M3 I was able to use the right scroll wheel to speed up and down..but not with the CT. Am I missing something?

It’s different on the CT. My (2017) MS FSD drives much better than my CT currently. But my experience tells me that will change with updates.

 

[FarAway]

Some things I have noticed about FSD.

1) When making a greater than 90 deg. left turn, FSD will cheat the corner, often cutting through the opposing lane to make that turn. (it takes the red path as opposed to the green path below.) Even if there is a vehicle in that lane!

2) I sometimes will bump the speed to 65 in a 60mph zone simply to keep pace with traffic in the slow lane. The speed limit on that highway occasionally drops to 45 in a few of the more congested areas, rather than smoothly slowing to 45 and maintaining the approximately 10% upward adjustment the FSD will rather "aggressively" slow to 45 surprising the drivers around me.

3) FSD is like the 16 yo driver with a learner's permit. It has not yet learned the commonsense things a more experienced driver would do almost instinctively, like moving to the left when passing a mailman sitting at a mailbox or a cleaning crew picking up trash in the ditches.

4) Another problem area I have experienced is when driving between stop lights. It will over accelerate only to get right up on the bumper of the car ahead and then aggressively slow down or stop. Very rude driving. It accelerates so fast and slows so quickly that sometimes I am not as worried about hitting the car in front of me as I am about getting rear ended by the car behind me! FSD simply does not seem to look beyond the car directly in front in order to anticipate the upcoming conditions, such as cars already stopped 150 foot ahead at an already red light.

I have tried to report these conditions as I experience them though that has not always been possible.

 

[The Duke]

Random slow downs should happen - because random things to slow down for happen.

-Crissa

Random slow downs should never happen. Random things that happen are causes to slow down and that means there is a reason. They are not random, this is cause and effect.

 

[Dantes]

Random slow downs should never happen. Random things that happen are causes to slow down and that means there is a reason. They are not random, this is cause and effect.

I’m pretty sure that’s her implication. Thanks for clearing that up.

 

[Crissa]

I’m pretty sure that’s her implication. Thanks for clearing that up.

Exactly. The world is filled with random things - they're random to you, because you don't control them and cannot always observe them ahead of time - which may cause a safety chance that requires slowing down.

A kid on the side of the road. Someone walking towards a crosswalk. A light or shadow causing visibility to drop on the side of the road or in front.
Weather.
Someone wobbling their wheel position.

The AI sees in all directions at all times and is looking for patterns on threat. Right now, it isn't as good as a Human at peak, but it has (and has already) shown the potential to see things Humans can't.

-Crissa

 

[Woodrick]

Vision based FSD has a long way to go still. Could probably use more camera's for turning more effectively.

Do you have any suggestions that do better than "Vision based FSD"

 

[Woodrick]

Exactly. The world is filled with random things - they're random to you, because you don't control them and cannot always observe them ahead of time - which may cause a safety chance that requires slowing down.

A kid on the side of the road. Someone walking towards a crosswalk. A light or shadow causing visibility to drop on the side of the road or in front.
Weather.
Someone wobbling their wheel position.

The AI sees in all directions at all times and is looking for patterns on threat. Right now, it isn't as good as a Human at peak, but it has (and has already) shown the potential to see things Humans can't.

-Crissa

But "humans at peak" are a rare occurrence when driving.

 

[Crissa]

Do you have any suggestions that do better than "Vision based FSD"

Honestly, the suggestion to have left-right cameras at corners isn't a bad one; the problem is that they can't see over railings and low foiliage.

If Elon doesn't muck up the autonomy reporting, hopefully we'll be able to find out which systems are doing better than each others, and more importantly: Why and How so all the systems can get better.

-Crissa

 

[Dantes]

Do you have any suggestions that do better than "Vision based FSD"

Driving lol

 

[Woodrick]

Honestly, the suggestion to have left-right cameras at corners isn't a bad one; the problem is that they can't see over railings and low foiliage.

If Elon doesn't muck up the autonomy reporting, hopefully we'll be able to find out which systems are doing better than each others, and more importantly: Why and How so all the systems can get better.

-Crissa

And having eyes in the back of your head and a portion of your brain dedicated to driving would help humans drive as well. But those aren't going to happen.

Automated Driving is easy to do once the humans stop screwing it up.

 

[Zcdz]

I love my CT buuuuuuuut....

Where do I start? It's beginning to feel personal- FSD on the CT hates me. Software 2025.8.7 FSD software 13.2.8

My hands are on the wheel- my eyes on the road, head and hands perfectly still, the camera lenses just out of the car wash.... beep, beep beep. Over and over and over again. I'm short, am I sitting too close to the yoke? Is the sun visor in the way? Does it just hate me? Does it think I'm on the phone when I'm yelling at FSD "What the F*** is WRONG with you???"

Taking a sharp mountain curve- straddling the center line into oncoming traffic.

Turning from a stoplight into a merge lane- tries to go immediately into the "slow" lane of traffic and skip the merge lane all together.

Completely unable to read the 65 mph sign in one spot - over and over and over again.

Speed limit inside City Limits is 15mph- but not according to FSD which opts for 25mph. Oh Joy.

Imaging a deer in the road as a person- that I can deal with- a big 4 legged person- what will it do when it sees an elk I wonder?

The FSD on the model S much better- so much better.

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