Official: Scout EV Pickup & SUV debut w/ Gas Range Extender, 4x4, BOF, Lockers, Sway Bar Disconnect -- All Specs, Wallpapers, Videos

[dalton108]

That’s because when it’s out of business they’ll just send you the replacement parts directly to your home ?.

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[ChristoN]

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[dalton108]

Gasoline range extender. I just don't understand this whole range anxiety thing. There are chargers everywhere now and 300 miles of range is what we've been getting in our trucks and cars for decades. Now you have to haul around a gas generator to alleviate the fear that the oil industry manufactured to make you afraid of EVs? ? Who's more stupid, the people who live in fear of being stranded or the car manufacturers who are selling a solution to a fear that doesn't exist and that they created?

But superchargers are not everywhere, and the places I want to go to are not urban. There are multiple places in Nevada that I cannot go right now because there is no way to get there and charge. Besides that some of us like to be off road and like to bring our trailers it ain’t “range anxiety” it’s range impossibility right now for some of us.

I intended for my CyberBeast to replace my FJ Cruiser, but it can’t. Even though the beast gets actually about the same range while towing, (and better while not towing) “reenergizing” the one is a matter of stopping at any gas pump anywhere and the other … for a specific example, if I wanted to go to Ely Nevada (and I do want to go to Ely, there’s cool caves and golden eagles), from my location is a non-starter. I literally can’t do it in my Cybertruck!

There’s a couple of super slow off-brand single chargers, but I’m not comfortable with that. and people have posted horror stories about having to wait while somebody charged forever or worse left their car there unattended and then you’re just stuck. I don’t have the patience for that. I wanna go where I wanna go and then get gone when I’m ready.

I have tried to chart many different trips with ABRP and been told sorry buddy you can’t get there from here, well at least not if you wanna come back. ??‍

So I’m definitely going to be keeping a close eye on Scout or looking for Elon to give me the 500 miles he promised. Because - I absolutely need it.

 

[CyberTruckeeTheOne]

Gasoline range extender. I just don't understand this whole range anxiety thing. There are chargers everywhere now and 300 miles of range is what we've been getting in our trucks and cars for decades. Now you have to haul around a gas generator to alleviate the fear that the oil industry manufactured to make you afraid of EVs? ? Who's more stupid, the people who live in fear of being stranded or the car manufacturers who are selling a solution to a fear that doesn't exist and that they created?

Apparently you have not done a road trip to northern Nevada, Idaho, Montana, Alberta, BC, inland Washington and Oregon.

Nor went up Lake Tahoe pulling an RV leaving from home with 100% charge to a campsite 89 miles away and looking at remaining charge drop and wondering if you'll reach your destination (ended up with just 5%).

 

[cardad]

Or with bull/brush guard and promised winch, the 'ol Land Rover Defender.

I watched a video on YouTube and I am sold.

Remaining question is if it will come out autonomous. And hope they will not reinvent the wheel and just buy-lease the system from Google/Waymo. I no longer believe Tesla can achieve full autonomous very soon.

And in my wish list, a hefty capabilities for a slide-in truck camper.

The google/waymo system is geofenced and also flawed in terms of hardware. It’s nowhere near prime time and they’ve been working on it forever.

A lot of the interventions seem to be solvable with software. I’m skeptical VW can even license their way to functional software since they’ve already blown a massive amount of cash and have little to show for it and seem to be pivoting to a Rivian partnership.

My guess is that Ford will beat Scout to many of their technical milestones. The Lightning has many slide in camper options since it is just a F150 bed. The Scout is a brand new platform and it might as well be vaporware at this point. I wouldn’t hand them a trophy for announcing specs 3 years in advance. Not sure if you’ve seen Ford’s development capabilities demonstrated with their Pike’s Peak program but they are light years ahead of everyone in terms of suspension design prototyping… Rivian sends an employee to the race in a stock truck ?‍

 

[cardad]

But superchargers are not everywhere, and the places I want to go to are not urban. There are multiple places in Nevada that I cannot go right now because there is no way to get there and charge. Besides that some of us like to be off road and like to bring our trailers it ain’t “range anxiety” it’s range impossibility right now for some of us.

I intended for my CyberBeast to replace my FJ Cruiser, but it can’t. Even though the beast gets actually about the same range while towing, (and better while not towing) “reenergizing” the one is a matter of stopping at any gas pump anywhere and the other … for a specific example, if I wanted to go to Ely Nevada (and I do want to go to Ely, there’s cool caves and golden eagles), from my location is a non-starter. I literally can’t do it in my Cybertruck!

There’s a couple of super slow off-brand single chargers, but I’m not comfortable with that. and people have posted horror stories about having to wait while somebody charged forever or worse left their car there unattended and then you’re just stuck. I don’t have the patience for that. I wanna go where I wanna go and then get gone when I’m ready.

I have tried to chart many different trips with ABRP and been told sorry buddy you can’t get there from here, well at least not if you wanna come back. ??‍

So I’m definitely going to be keeping a close eye on Scout or looking for Elon to give me the 500 miles he promised. Because - I absolutely need it.

Well you could have gone with the AWD and switched out the beefy AT tires to more of a hybrid AS tire and you’d be around 330 miles of range. I don’t think CT benefits that much from the AT tires as the chassis stiffness is the prime limiter for how the suspension articulates to maintain tire contact. This is why you saw so many embarrassing off road videos early before the lockers were turned on. This is a fundamental design problem that might be inherent to EVs with the stiff battery pack. Even with ATs I am often getting over 300 miles of range especially with FSD so I don’t see Scout being fundamentally superior. If you want a gas car just go buy a Jeep or Bronco. They are not that different in terms of range especially off road and you can carry extra fuel.

 

[dalton108]

Well you could have gone with the AWD and switched out the beefy AT tires to more of a hybrid AS tire and you’d be around 330 miles of range. I don’t think CT benefits that much from the AT tires as the chassis stiffness is the prime limiter for how the suspension articulates to maintain tire contact. This is why you saw so many embarrassing off road videos early before the lockers were turned on. This is a fundamental design problem that might be inherent to EVs with the stiff battery pack. Even with ATs I am often getting over 300 miles of range especially with FSD so I don’t see Scout being fundamentally superior. If you want a gas car just go buy a Jeep or Bronco. They are not that different in terms of range especially off road and you can carry extra fuel.

30 additional miles addresses zero of my issues and my vehicle is an off-road vehicle. Not sure what part of “replacing my FJ” was not clear. The AT is the least aggressive tire my Cyberbeast will ever have on it.

I’m not remotely confused about what it is that I want. I want it all speed, off road and range! I get that there are a trade-offs, but there would be none if the car had the range promised.

It doesn’t. It’s fine. I’ll make adjustments (like, as I previously noted, just keeping my FJ), but everybody continuing to say that nobody needs 500 mile range doesn’t know what they’re talking about for those of us who do.

I want to drive (with my travel trailer in tow) out to my deserted location, be there for three or so days, and drive home without needing a charge. That will happen soon enough. It very well may happen in 2027 with the Scout and if it does I’ll probably get one whether I keep the Cybertruck at that point or not TBD. Maybe it will happen before that with a refreshed CT. I don’t know we shall see.

People with a vested interest in selling me a car that only has 300 miles range, I get; paraphrasing Upton Sinclair: “it’s hard to get a man to understand something that his income depends on him not understanding.”

What I don’t understand is people standing on the sidelines next to me trying to tell me what I need and what I don’t. ?

 

[Hunky Dory]

Get a CCS adapter it will change your outlook on life with an EV. The Tesla CCS adapter does not work with a Cybertruck but I purchased an tested another brand that does work fine. Get some adapters for the mobile charger: 14-50, 14-30, 6-50, 10-50, 10-30 etc.
Get a dual fuel generator and carry some gas and or propane in the pickup bed or on a trailer. There are lots of solutions to these challenges.

I'll be glad when my CB has a range extender installed. Till then I will make it work.

The Scout appears to be as much vaporware as the Cybertruck was 5 years ago. Not a guarantee.

 

[CyberTruckeeTheOne]

The google/waymo system is geofenced and also flawed in terms of hardware. It’s nowhere near prime time and they’ve been working on it forever.

A lot of the interventions seem to be solvable with software. I’m skeptical VW can even license their way to functional software since they’ve already blown a massive amount of cash and have little to show for it and seem to be pivoting to a Rivian partnership.

My guess is that Ford will beat Scout to many of their technical milestones. The Lightning has many slide in camper options since it is just a F150 bed. The Scout is a brand new platform and it might as well be vaporware at this point. I wouldn’t hand them a trophy for announcing specs 3 years in advance. Not sure if you’ve seen Ford’s development capabilities demonstrated with their Pike’s Peak program but they are light years ahead of everyone in terms of suspension design prototyping… Rivian sends an employee to the race in a stock truck ?‍

Geo fencing is function of complying with regulations, not limits of Google-Waymo capabilities.

Google is leader in AI and mapping, duh!

And yes, I will replace my CT with with anything from any manufacturer who can give that range and able to take in a slide-in camper.

 

[dalton108]

Get a CCS adapter it will change your outlook on life with an EV. The Tesla CCS adapter does not work with a Cybertruck but I purchased an tested another brand that does work fine. Get some adapters for the mobile charger: 14-50, 14-30, 6-50, 10-50, 10-30 etc.
Get a dual fuel generator and carry some gas and or propane in the pickup bed or on a trailer. There are lots of solutions to these challenges.

I'll be glad when my CB has a range extender installed. Till then I will make it work.

The Scout appears to be as much vaporware as the Cybertruck was 5 years ago. Not a guarantee.

I’ve had one since they first launched for Tesla’s generally and now have one for the Cybertruck as well.

I believe in preparedness redundancy and options. All of that said in today’s world (certainly in the desert-southwest where I live); there is no substitute for range. Ely, mentioned above, is one simple example, charging - at all / means you have a ChaDaMo adapter because there ain't no NACS option. We’re not all just going from city center to city Center; mall and home.

 

[Surfbigisland]

But superchargers are not everywhere, and the places I want to go to are not urban. There are multiple places in Nevada that I cannot go right now because there is no way to get there and charge. Besides that some of us like to be off road and like to bring our trailers it ain’t “range anxiety” it’s range impossibility right now for some of us.

I intended for my CyberBeast to replace my FJ Cruiser, but it can’t. Even though the beast gets actually about the same range while towing, (and better while not towing) “reenergizing” the one is a matter of stopping at any gas pump anywhere and the other … for a specific example, if I wanted to go to Ely Nevada (and I do want to go to Ely, there’s cool caves and golden eagles), from my location is a non-starter. I literally can’t do it in my Cybertruck!

There’s a couple of super slow off-brand single chargers, but I’m not comfortable with that. and people have posted horror stories about having to wait while somebody charged forever or worse left their car there unattended and then you’re just stuck. I don’t have the patience for that. I wanna go where I wanna go and then get gone when I’m ready.

I have tried to chart many different trips with ABRP and been told sorry buddy you can’t get there from here, well at least not if you wanna come back. ??‍

So I’m definitely going to be keeping a close eye on Scout or looking for Elon to give me the 500 miles he promised. Because - I absolutely need it.

So an extra 200 miles is all you need to get to where you want to go. Sounds remote. I've looked down from airplanes and wondered who drove on those roads. LOL Well I guess they'll come out with the range extender for you eventually, but it takes a 3rd of the bed. There aren't any gasoline trucks with 500 mile range either, but you could fill a tank and carry extra gas, which is basically what the Scout is saying. I think you could stack layers of solar panels on a lumber rack, drive out there until your battery is nearly dead and set them up, camp out for a few days, explore the area, eat some peyote, get in touch with the cosmic oneness and by then you should be able to drive home, or fly. ? ? Or keep going! Forever! For free! With no pollution.

 

[dalton108]

So an extra 200 miles is all you need to get to where you want to go. Sounds remote. I've looked down from airplanes and wondered who drove on those roads. LOL Well I guess they'll come out with the range extender for you eventually, but it takes a 3rd of the bed. There aren't any gasoline trucks with 500 mile range either, but you could fill a tank and carry extra gas, which is basically what the Scout is saying. I think you could stack layers of solar panels on a lumber rack, drive out there until your battery is nearly dead and set them up, camp out for a few days, explore the area, eat some peyote, get in touch with the cosmic oneness and by then you should be able to drive home, or fly. ? ? Or keep going! Forever! For free! With no pollution.

Towing. Towing. Towing. Are people this slow?

Again, Elon and RJ want me to believe that I only need 300 miles because they have something to sell me. What are you selling? I’m not giving up a third of my bed for a battery.

I need to bring my off-road travel trailer. With a CT that means I have 130 miles range. So half (or less) of 500 is 250 (or less). ?

I don’t do drugs and I’m not searching for a fucking thing.

Other than perhaps some understanding of why you’re such an asshole? You guys do remember that Elon said the car would have 500 miles before he decided that we didn’t need it right?

Because, if you’re gonna tow something you definitely fucking need it. Enjoy whatever it is that you do with your truck and have one of these middle fingers for the very short road you’ll be traveling. ?

EDIT/UPDATE: For fuck sakes! First, you live on the fucking Big Island? Of course you don’t need any fucking range where the fuck would you go? You got one goddamn road that goes around the whole fucking island and half of the time that’s fucking covered in lava!! ?

Second, for an island boy you definitely need to get some Aloha spirit in you — maybe more surfing; less pontificating, brah. ?

 

[dalton108]

There aren't any gasoline trucks with 500 mile range either, but you could fill a tank and carry extra gas, which is basically what the Scout is saying.

NO SHIT, SHERLOCK! Which is why I STARTED OUT BY SAYING:

I intended for my CyberBeast to replace my FJ Cruiser, but it can’t. Even though the Beast gets actually about the same range while towing, (and better while not towing) “reenergizing” the one is a matter of stopping at any gas pump anywhere and the other …

??‍

 

[SentinelOne]

Some of us use / need / want the range more than others - it's polarizing for some reason. IDGAF if someone wants a nuke reactor to recharge, Gas or a BFBattery....if they think 15miles is sufficient for everyone or feel they need 10000 mile range.

For me range need is real, batteries only have limitations for certain use cases, 300mi range has big limitations for certain use cases, supercharging has limitations / GAPS....

There can be work arounds for 95% of cases, if you have all the time in the world (I dont)....and there is an overhead.

I love my Cyber Truck - wish it had more range or a ICE range extender because that would give me more flexibility and usability - will I sell it because of range = hell no, but it does make me keep an extra truck around (diesel 2500) for towing, deep Co Mountain Camping, longer dirtbike trips, etc

And range anxiety is real for the electric world. Went dirtbiking yesterday and:

I have a Stark Varg (full size motocross bike, 6.5kw battery) - adore the thing as much as I do my cyber truck, havent ridden my KTM Dirt Bike all season because the Varg is just better (power / rideability, etc - it's awesome , like the CB) - we were on new trails, I found us one that I thought we would make distance wise - I ended up back tracking us because I got cold feet - was a good call, we got back to the truck with 1% (did 48 miles which is fantastic range for conditions)...the thought of pushing a 250lb dirtbike up mountains for 5 miles is not something I ever want to experience...= Real Range Anxiety

Got back in the truck and had 49% (left at 100%), truck gets in the 650wh/mi range with 2 bike bars in the slipstream and doing 80+ on i25. Stopped at a bike shop on way back and made it home with 13% (way home is much more downhill than UpHill so way more efficient)....was never at risk or running out, lots of superchargers by denver (but only 1 or 2 in NoCo)....point is I still have to think about it and manage electrons a bit = not range anxiety but still overhead. And this is the easy dirt bike location, all others I have to supercharge (which sucks when my old ass is warn out, I've been gone all day and they are busy 4 stall 150kw chargers that I need to take more than one stall due to the tailgate being down to hold the bikes eg short cables) or bring the diesel truck.

In any event, everyones situ is unique - do I think my use case fits 80/20, nope, do I wish I had options = absolutely! I think Tesla made the right call for the current battery tech (I dont want a 10k lb truck), but they did target 500mi and it sux they didnt get there (yet!). I do think that an optional generator is a great bridge until battery tech takes the next leap and I do think that manufacturers that offer a generator option will gain market share / convert more people toward the all electric world - aka prime them for the next gen battery tech/all electric.

I reserved a ram charger, scout terra and will reserve the upcoming Ford HD (also with generator) - one of them will replace my diesel truck (the scout prob not because of tow rating), but keeping the CT for daily driver and if Tesla comes out with G2 with 500mi range maybe I'll go down to 1 truck!

 

[mongo]

What is the correct percent to return at? 50% is guaranteed to get you back, anything less is a risk.

123kW pack, 1% soc = 1.23kW
Weight with passengers and gear: >7k pounds
Vertical distance for 1% SOC at that weight = 500 feet

So descending 2,000 feet gets you roughly 4% additional. Or, going up 2,000 feet results in the SOC being 4% lower than the driving required.

( not that 50% is a guarantee anyway)

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