Full Self Driving FSD Included?

[Carlos Thomas]

After attending the delivery event on November 30th, Tesla was silent on a variety of topics, but the website filled many of the blanks. However, one major item that nobody appears to be talking about is whether or not Full Self Driving is included. It is not mentioned as an option anywhere in the Cybertruck page.

With the sizable price increase, it would be a nice touch if they said that FSD is included with all Cybertrucks. My guess, they will more than likely have a separate charge similar to the premium tires, etc.

Thoughts?

 

[WormtownKris]

After attending the delivery event on November 30th, Tesla was silent on a variety of topics, but the website filled many of the blanks. However, one major item that nobody appears to be talking about is whether or not Full Self Driving is included. It is not mentioned as an option anywhere in the Cybertruck page.

With the sizable price increase, it would be a nice touch if they said that FSD is included with all Cybertrucks. My guess, they will more than likely have a separate charge similar to the premium tires, etc.

Thoughts?

It's not included. It is an option you can add. $7k to $12k depending if you locked in a price along the way.

 

[Longranger]

Does adding FSD automatically make the dual ineligible for the federal rebate, or is it not considered part of purchase price?

 

[Crissa]

Does adding FSD automatically make the dual ineligible for the federal rebate, or is it not considered part of purchase price?

Software isn't included in the federal definition of msrp. So no, it doesn't count towards the rebate limit, you're free to add it on.

Also, you can rent the software instead of buying it.

-Crissa

 

[Longranger]

Thanks Crissa.

 

[EvilNuff]

...it would be a nice touch if they said that FSD is included with all Cybertrucks...

It is not included. And no, it would be bad to include it with all CTs as some of us actively don't want FSD so any increase in price for that garbage would be bad.

 

[EVMOGUL]

Software isn't included in the federal definition of msrp. So no, it doesn't count towards the rebate limit, you're free to add it on.

Also, you can rent the software instead of buying it.

-Crissa

Interesting point about subscribing. I wonder if you could subscribe and then cancel after a time if you didn’t want to have it, ongoing?

 

[Sjohnson20]

You can subscribe and cancel whenever you want. Not sure why anybody would pay 12k. It's not worth it. It barely works. I would suggest doing the subscription. If you are like me you will use it a few times and quit in frustration. It tried to drive me into a couple objects and also stopped in the middle of the road in front of a moving car.

 

[davelloydbrown]

You can subscribe and cancel whenever you want. Not sure why anybody would pay 12k. It's not worth it. It barely works. I would suggest doing the subscription. If you are like me you will use it a few times and quit in frustration. It tried to drive me into a couple objects and also stopped in the middle of the road in front of a moving car.

Agreed, I would only lease it if I was going on a long trip which would be infrequently.

It could be similar to the Starlink RV, you pay a little bit more a month, but you rent it a month at a time and can shut it down whenever you want. We have one for our home and another we take to a remote property we have.

 

[cvalue13]

It's not included. It is an option you can add. $7k to $12k depending if you locked in a price along the way.

they haven’t said a word about AP or FSD

so while I think what you’ve said is the intent eventually, strong assumption is that neither AP nor FSD are currently comparable with the CyberTruck

I assume steer-by-wire has not played nicely


generally, I’m looking for the glaring topics NOT covered at the event or on the website, as indicative of helpful intel

eg, notice no mention (much less bragging) about brakeover or departure/approach angles

eg, notice no mention of expected configuration opening for retail sales

Etc.

 

[roadrunner32]

It is something to ponder as to why cybertruck does not come with auto-pilot. All other Teslas came with auto pilot.
1. Auto pilot software is not developed yet because of the complexity of the variable ratio steering of steer by wire.
2. FSD is getting so close now with the new modeling scheme that auto pilot will be rolled into FSD. (if you want AP. then you must purchase FSD)

 

[Great Bay Shark]

Safe to say FSD will not be out for Cybetruck for a while. There just aren't enough Cybertrucks out there to make it worth their while to concentrate on that right now. Give it a year.

 

[Woodrick]

It is something to ponder as to why cybertruck does not come with auto-pilot. All other Teslas came with auto pilot.
1. Auto pilot software is not developed yet because of the complexity of the variable ratio steering of steer by wire.
2. FSD is getting so close now with the new modeling scheme that auto pilot will be rolled into FSD. (if you want AP. then you must purchase FSD)

Actually no other new Tesla have been introduced with Autopilot, it came after the vehicles were introduced.
With the removal of the ultrasonic sensors about months ago, the newer cars didn't have FSD for a number of months. They had to update FSD.

Elon announced a long time ago the HW3 implementation was a priority for FSD, HW4 would come maybe 6 months later. The Cybertruck has HW4.

The Cybertruck will probably be similar, they just need a few months to get it moved over. But this is also in the middle of the V12 update, which is keeping the FSD team pretty busy right now.

I'm pretty sure that variable steering isn't a big deal at all for FSD, neither is steer by wire. After all, FSD has ALWAYS been steer by wire. Unlike the movie Airplane, Teslas have never used Otto.