FSD parking oops (hit house reversing into garage)… yes I know I’m supervising

[jbuijk]

I use FSD almost all the time and had a similar experience. In my case I let my CT navigate by itself out of our driveway. In order to do so it had to find its way past a model 3 that was parked a little bit crooked and with little room to drive past it. I am not quite sure what part of my CT hit the M3, but it started to turn left onto the street a bit too early (given the minimal space between the cars). So either the rear wheels steering (and sticking out a bit), or the back bumper swinging out hit the M3, resulting in some marks and scratches on the rear, driver's side corner of the M3.

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[hemiarch]

So question, have any of you attempted to see if Tesla will fix this damage under warranty? If you have time stamped video of the incident and the car was clearly in FSD that should be demonstrable to the SC no?

 

[SCTesla]

So question, have any of you attempted to see if Tesla will fix this damage under warranty? If you have time stamped video of the incident and the car was clearly in FSD that should be demonstrable to the SC no?

There are multiple threads where people tried this on TMC when FSD or ASS (more common) did damage. In every situation Tesla said they (the owners/driver) were responsible and the car is not fully autonomous.

 

[hemiarch]

There are multiple threads where people tried this on TMC when FSD or ASS (more common) did damage. In every situation Tesla said they were responsible and the car is not fully autonomous.

Understood. Just wondering about that.

 

[ABILISK]

Yes I would not use it even if it was free. I have been driving for close to 50 years (since 16) and just to old to start something new that I still need to supervise. But I do agree at some point in time it will be the way to go and may even become a standard feature on vehicles.

I am retired and just do not drive that much anymore so the 5-10 miles a day (4 -5 days) just doing it the old fashion way for me is no hardship.

We do take a trip to see the grand kids in Houston area once every 3 months so I guess it might be ok on 290 after I got through Elgin. From Elgin to Houston it is 25-30 miles between towns and just a nice divided highway till you get to Waller and our Buc-ees stop.

With FSD, you could send the truck to pick up the kids to visit you. It’s incredible tech that can’t be replaced. You won’t have to supervise it much longer (months, not years), but it might get waaay more expensive soon.

 

[hemiarch]

With FSD, you could send the truck to pick up the kids to visit you. It’s incredible tech that can’t be replaced. You won’t have to supervise it much longer (months, not years), but it might get waaay more expensive soon.

While I’m in the same fan club as you, I want to point out that I’ve bought it three separate times (if you include the FS tax) beginning in 2016 and I’ve used the above stated logic every time.
And..here we are.
No regrets, but who knows when that happens?

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Is there a timeline for when it will be unsupervised?

I know the government will have to approve it also not just Telsa saying it is fully ready.

 

[ABILISK]

Is there a timeline for when it will be unsupervised?

I know the government will have to approve it also not just Telsa saying it is fully ready.

It’s December now, I’m seeing Christmas lights. Next year when I see Christmas lights I’ll also be watching cars zipping around with nobody in them. Mark my words. Elon may say “next year” a lot, but I don’t.

The software will be ready. The legislation will be ready. Only potential holdup would be if Tesla still wants to drag their feet on taking responsibility. I know that’s huge, but it needs to happen for an unsupervised system.

 

[hemiarch]

It’s December now, I’m seeing Christmas lights. Next year when I see Christmas lights I’ll also be watching cars zipping around with nobody in them. Mark my words. Elon may say “next year” a lot, but I don’t.

The software will be ready. The legislation will be ready. Only potential holdup would be if Tesla still wants to drag their feet on taking responsibility. I know that’s huge, but it needs to happen for an unsupervised system.

Waymo is already doing it so I’m optimistic like you, I’m just saying I have been optimistic about this since 2016 so my credibility is suspect at best.

 

[SCTesla]

With FSD, you could send the truck to pick up the kids to visit you. It’s incredible tech that can’t be replaced. You won’t have to supervise it much longer (months, not years), but it might get waaay more expensive soon.

It's years still for all of us. Elon even said in the last call that they haven't even thought of how they will deploy unsupervised for consumers (with remote operators, state by state regulations, insurance, etc.) because they are currently focusing on getting RT solved in Austin.

I don't see the price increasing until it gets to that point. FSD just recently hit double digit take rates, so it's still not extremely popular, even within the Tesla owners group.

It will start off small, likely in Austin, and expand out as they have confidence. Elon and others at Tesla have also hinted there will be a step in between what we are now and no one in the car. You don't HAVE to pay attention, but you still need to be in the car for edge cases...or L3 on the SAE scale.

If I were to bet, I would say 2028 is the earliest your car could pick you up, regardless of what state you live in with no one in the drivers seat.

 

[hemiarch]

I’m curious about take rates in the single digits. Does that include people using the subscription model?
Can’t imagine buying a Tesla and not wanting that

 

[SCTesla]

I’m curious about take rates in the single digits. Does that include people using the subscription model?
Can’t imagine buying a Tesla and not wanting that

There was a recall in 2023 that showed 362k users. Grok says there around 1.8m registered Teslas in the US in 2023 so that would be 20%. So the take rate should be purchases.

This is just a leap.

 

[koolio]

If I were to bet, I would say 2028 is the earliest your car could pick you up, regardless of what state you live in with no one in the drivers seat.

I'm kinda with you...even though I'm super optimistic about FSD and love it, I think unsupervised is at least 3-5 years away. Yes, maybe in a few cities before then but for it to be widespread, it'll take a long while given each municipality has to approve it.

 

[scottyah]

That is a bummer, especially with that cool wrap.
FSD 14.2 is GREAT on the highway, ok around town, mediocre at parking.
Still not ready to pick up and drop off my kids without me in the car, hopefully soon. Was hoping v14 would be the huge jump forward but more of a hop.

wild, my experience is much different, though I drive many-lane freeways instead of highways. It's Much Better around town (it can even handle my commute when I'm feeling patient), but absolutely worse in almost every way on freeways, the exception being that it no longer drives on or over the left lane line.

 

[Mark805]

I can say Fsd is great but in my instance, it’s not quite ready yet.

in my opinion: the truck should have stopped rearward momentum when it sensed resistance (house) but it did not until I pressed the brake. (Literally milliseconds after I heard the bump)

on that I could see refinement… like how did it not “see” the house. It opened the garage door automatically, turned around to back into the open door and started to process. There’s a part of the rear left view that didn’t capture or sense an obstruction for the system to stop momentum.

but I’m still impressed with this update. But more of the “trust but verify” mindset now

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