FSD 14.2.2 (Update 2025.45.5) now installing on Cybertrucks!

[BengalBoy]

Hey, all you want for Christmas is a great shopping spree in the portal! I think your new coach will flip the script next season.

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[CTSoFL]

Hey, all you want for Christmas is a great shopping spree in the portal! I think your new coach will flip the script next season.

What I wanted for Christmas was this...

- DeBoer to Michigan
- Kiffin to Bama (I prayed and God called me to Tuscaloosa......I'm deuces Tigers...see ya)
- Nuclear MELTDOWN in Baton Rouge

 

[BengalBoy]

What I wanted for Christmas was this...

- DeBoer to Michigan
- Kiffin to Bama (I prayed and God called me to Tuscaloosa......I'm deuces Tigers...see ya)
- Nuclear MELTDOWN in Baton Rouge

Nah, Alabama fans need to be excited for our coach. He isn't in jail for woman issues, hated by an entire fan base, or losing. SEC is a very tough game and Alabama fans some of his dumbest critics. I like that black hoodie!

 

[bg002h]

Did you share your calendar with Tesla corporate so they schedule updates according to your calendar availability?

I forgot teslas aren’t meant for airport trips. My bad. One isn’t supposed to leave their toy car in a parking garage for 7 days.

 

[espresso-drumbeat]

I forgot teslas aren’t meant for airport trips. My bad. One isn’t supposed to leave their toy car in a parking garage for 7 days.

why do you say that? Is it because they drain too much battery when you check it via app all the time?

 

[pae1andonly]

I agree. Every Sunday since getting FSD 14 months ago my wife & I go to the same place 45 miles away where we have a standing appointment. The nav system would stay on I-5 the entire way until we got to the exit that’s only 1/2 mile or so from our destination.

But now, after the updates the nav system wants to take an exit that’s 2 miles away & the street almost parallels I-5. There street is 4-lanes & we have to negotiate at least 5 stop lights before arriving. I have no idea how FSD can possibly think the driving time will be shorter, but I can guarantee you the distance is probably shorter by only a few hundred feet at most.

So I always have to intervene and then reengage FSD after passing that exit. Works like a charm every time but why did it suddenly decide that exit is the best route?

I'd love a 'why the heck did you choose that' button/command/option.

 

[PungoteagueDave]

Agreed, they have invested a lot of time and energy into making Austin and SF because Tesla has and utilizes a bunch of Fleet Validation Vehicles. These vehicles are the ones where Legacy Media quickly posts to their sites claiming Tesla still needs and uses Lidar. However, as the name suggests, these vehicles are used to ensure accuracy against depth perception and measurements.

Which brings me to this point: My guess is, in order for Teslas to operate flawlessly in each city, Tesla needs to do two things: crowd source map info - just like Waze - and utilize their Fleet Validation Vehicles in every major city - not towns or suburbs. It's evident FSD can handle simple to difficult scenarios. However, cities have much higher probability for edge cases to occur.

As for map data, Tesla currently pulls info from Open Street Map. I know this because I had issues with FSD thinking the entrance to my apartment complex didn't exist. I manually added a two-way lane from the main street to the inner round-about at my apartment complex. Now, whenever I tap "Home", my pin drop is located within the round-about closest to the garage entrance.

With speed it's more tricky. I'll give you an example: Between Vancouver and Whistler there's a hwy called Sea-To-Sky. Within this stretch of the hwy, there's a section that's 60 km/h - yes metric, I know, lolz - unfortunately, once that stretch ends, it still keeps at 60 km/h when it's supposed to be 90 km/h. I have to keep my vehicle in MadMax mode during this entire stretch - which is ridiculous. I tried to edit but for some reason, the speed edits don't work. So at this moment, I have found a way to add/remove/edit a certain path, but not the speed. If anyone else knows how to change what speed the vehicle pulls, please let us know.

EDIT: Tesla vehicles cannot read signs. The vision-only system uses pattern recognition - ie. School Zone signs - then adjusts appropriately.

Tesla does use OpenStreetMap (OSM) data, but mostly for specific functions in off street situations like Smart Summon in parking lots. However, on the street for routings it's a mix that prioritizes Google Maps for visuals and TomTom for routing. While the main screen shows Google Maps, the underlying navigation engine leverages Tom Tom first and pulls from OSM in areas where other data is lacking or needs community input.

From Grok:

How Tesla Uses OSM Data:
Smart Summon & Parking Lots: Tesla's Smart Summon uses OSM data for detailed parking lot layouts, paths, and lane directions, allowing owners to improve these routes by editing OSM directly.
Routing Engine: The routing uses a combination of sources. When TomTom data is incomplete, OSM data fills in the gaps.

However, in my experience it is even more complex than that and can use google data in routing. For example, Google Maps and Waze apps would consistently send drivers to the locked back entrance of our gated community in Florida. I made a Google Maps edit which fixed that for everyone. A couple weeks later our teslas stopped attempting the back-gate maneuver and began going to the front entrance.

Regarding whether it reads speed limit signs, there’s no question it could. However, that functionality seemed to disappear with the advent of FSD 14 and the default is now the generic imposed local limit. I know this because as long ago as 2017 AP read speed limits including temporary construction reductions. I have private (professional) speed limit signs on our mile-long farm driveway in Virginia. These were always reflected and honored in prior AP and FSD iterations. With the latest versions there is no recognition of the posted “limit.”

 

[Professor]

I was reading the release notes. It now responds to human gestures?
So if someone flips you off, the truck sees it and farts in their general direction?

 

[Korben Dallas]

I routinely drive a 30 mile stretch of highway where at several locations the displayed speed is different than the posted speed. And I can’t even use FSD in my own neighborhood because we have a 25 mph speed limit but the truck shows 50 mph!

So considering all the problems FSD is having in correctly identifying & adhering to posted speed limits, does anyone know where we can go to get the appropriate database owners to correct their product?

This might not fix the FSD speeding problem, but it’s a step in the right direction I think.

 

[bg002h]

why do you say that? Is it because they drain too much battery when you check it via app all the time?

No. Checking once a day isn’t the cause of the massive battery drain. It’s a bug in the software update notification that prevents sleep…apparently everyone knows this already and you have to take your vehicle off of advanced software update when you park for a long time. But a proper app wouldn’t use much battery even if you checked battery level 100 times a day.

anyhow, if you have to park for a week or more at less than 60-70% battery, consider signing out of the Tesla app entirely…somehow this seems to be solving my battery drain problem…only 1% per day loss compared to 6% before signing out.

 

[Macgyverfever]

Anyway I agree - lane shift issue fixed.

 

[Qixer01]

As for map data, Tesla currently pulls info from Open Street Map. I know this because I had issues with FSD thinking the entrance to my apartment complex didn't exist. I manually added a two-way lane from the main street to the inner round-about at my apartment complex. Now, whenever I tap "Home", my pin drop is located within the round-about closest to the garage entrance.

I have done just this at a couple places I recently visit within OSM. The updates were approved and are currently active online. Yet the trucks nav map does not show the new driveways I added. Does the truck need to update nav data to see the new data from OSM?

 

[Korben Dallas]

I finally had the opportunity to take FSD v14.2.2 out for a 70 mile drive yesterday & got 2 messages I’ve never seen before; "Hands free mode off" & “Hands free mode on".

They seem to be connected to the nag, however, I do not recall ever seeing these before & I’m wondering if any of you guys/gals have seen them too? More importantly what do they infer in terms of unsupervised FSD?

 

[jahansolu]

I have done just this at a couple places I recently visit within OSM. The updates were approved and are currently active online. Yet the trucks nav map does not show the new driveways I added. Does the truck need to update nav data to see the new data from OSM?

Yes, during the next Navigation Update, your changes should reflect. It also depends on how detailed Tesla pulls the info. In other words, the likeliness that Tesla pulls a more detailed map info from Vancouver, BC compared to Prince George, BC will be vastly different - Large city vs small town.

Priority of data will most likely be: Cities > Towns > Villages.

 

[jahansolu]

I finally had the opportunity to take FSD v14.2.2 out for a 70 mile drive yesterday & got 2 messages I’ve never seen before; "Hands free mode off" & “Hands free mode on".

They seem to be connected to the nag, however, I do not recall ever seeing these before & I’m wondering if any of you guys/gals have seen them too? More importantly what do they infer in terms of unsupervised FSD?

Yes, this message is normal - I've seen it multiple times before.
It happens when the interior camera has a hard time recognizing or validating the your attentiveness.

This could happen for many reasons, such as (but not limited to):
1) Your eyes being out of frame of the interior camera - for example, something drops onto to the vehicle floor then you reach to grab and pick it up.
2) Sunglasses tint could be too dark - the infrared isn't able to penetrate the coating or the tint of your glasses.
3) Your hat might be obstructing its view to your eyes for too long.

What to do to fix:
- Clean the interior lens, located near the rear view mirror, with a microfiber cloth
- Re-calibrate the camera by looking at it for 2-5 seconds when you see the message "Hands free mode off" - it gives a few seconds before it nags to pull on the wheel
- Disengage and reengage FSD altogether
- When parked, go to Service, Camera Preview, then check your interior camera to make sure it's not being obstructed by anything; some people hang items close to their rear-view mirror, so make sure that's not the case.

Hope this helps.

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