Doug Demuro the hater…thoughts on his latest comments?

[Speedr]

FSD is the elephant in the room. My Cybertruck is driving me everywhere, and once unsupervised self driving happens, they'll sell every Tesla they make! And resale value will soar (like Elon predicted, albeit way early).

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[dalton108]

If it’s worth $35k, I’ll buy 3 more.
The battery storage alone for home solar is worth more than that.
Dude is a click baiter. A master one.

DeMuro is a pretty serious/credible car reviewer (worked for Porsche, AutoTrader, and yes, Jalopnik before becoming a YouTuber). His initial review of the Cybertruck was incredibly positive— he was one of the few (same for his review of the Model S Plaid- in fact his glowing and detailed review of the MSP is a big part of what prompted me to buy one in the first place). The title of that video was literally: “The Tesla Model S Plaid Is the World’s Fastest (and Coolest) Sedan” (Aug. 17, 2021). The title of his cybertruck video was: “2024 Tesla Cybertruck Review: This Is Just Plain Cool.”

He’s had time behind the wheel of more cars than most of us will in five lifetimes. Cars and Bids was wildly successful and certainly is a meaningful data source giving him a pretty clear view of what’s happening with car values.

I don’t agree with his opinion on this (but we’re talking about degrees not overall impression of plummeting value), but the ad hominem, from you my friend, seems pretty out of character and more to the point pretty poorly calibrated. His reviews are generally highly detailed, sober and fair nothing like click bait.

DougScores for both the S & CT were the highest in their categories. EDS/TDS? Come on man! Enough of this stupid shit.

You don’t need to like Elon to fairly rate the fruit of Tesla’s labor. Ad hominem is a LOGICAL FALLACY for a reason!

 

[dalton108]

FSD is the elephant in the room. My Cybertruck is driving me everywhere, and once unsupervised self driving happens, they'll sell every Tesla they make! And resale value will soar (like Elon predicted, albeit way early).

What he said all those years ago at autonomy day was that it would be an appreciating asset and specifically, I wouldn’t want to sell my Tesla for less than $300,000 because it would effectively be a business on wheels and the market would have to value it as such.

I agree with everything you said regarding unsupervised and what will happen. But what Elon predicted has obviously not come through yet and I’m pretty sure now never will.

The combination of radical abundance and a future without work combined means that not only will no one be able to afford to pay $300,000 for my Tesla they’re not going to need or want to. If I’m able to put my Beast into the fleet and pick up a few extra bucks here and there I think that’s the best case scenario (which I would never do).

As an unrelated matter, I was just reading an article before coming here about Waymo’s shutting down in some city because of a power outage and it occurred to me what’s that going to look like when we have an extended power outage (weeks due to sabotage or some natural disaster) and a significant number of the population is relying on electric Robotaxis for transportation?

 

[EWELON]

Demuro’s CT review was the one that sold me on the truck in the end. He’s pretty knowledgeable and seems to try to be objective as possible.

 

[hemiarch]

DeMuro is a pretty serious/credible car reviewer (worked for Porsche, AutoTrader, and yes, Jalopnik before becoming a YouTuber). His initial review of the Cybertruck was incredibly positive— he was one of the few (same for his review of the Model S Plaid- in fact his glowing and detailed review of the MSP is a big part of what prompted me to buy one in the first place). The title of that video was literally: “The Tesla Model S Plaid Is the World’s Fastest (and Coolest) Sedan” (Aug. 17, 2021). The title of his cybertruck video was: “2024 Tesla Cybertruck Review: This Is Just Plain Cool.”

He’s had time behind the wheel of more cars than most of us will in five lifetimes. Cars and Bids was wildly successful and certainly is a meaningful data source giving him a pretty clear view of what’s happening with car values.

I don’t agree with his opinion on this (but we’re talking about degrees not overall impression of plummeting value), but the ad hominem, from you my friend, seems pretty out of character and more to the point pretty poorly calibrated. His reviews are generally highly detailed, sober and fair nothing like click bait.

DougScores for both the S & CT were the highest in their categories. EDS/TDS? Come on man! Enough of this stupid shit.

You don’t need to like Elon to fairly rate the fruit of Tesla’s labor. Ad hominem is a LOGICAL FALLACY for a reason!

First of all, thanks for crediting me with a general character to defend outside of this one opinion. I actually like Demuro too. He was my go to source frequently for ICE reviews. I did feel at the time he started pimping his own car business on his reviews that a lot of credibility was lost.
I also think he makes some valid points about the Cybertruck and the factors that will make it depreciate and I absolutely agree this product is and should be seen as independent of Elon and how one feels about him but won’t be.
There is no doubt he’s done some highly judgeable unrelated things while simultaneously being the CEO of Tesla and that this judgement could very easily be extremely negative depending on perspective and has already affected product pricing.
That said, the aforementioned $35k price point is extreme hyperbole no matter how you read it. As mentioned in my above post, try and price a 120kwh battery for home backup and compare it to this price. It’s completely unreasonable. Demuro is no stranger to techniques for attracting an internet crowd and all I can think he’s doing here is exactly that, hyperbolic statement to draw a crowd. Something I consider click-baiting.
When you’re in an influential but vulnerable/competitive position like Demuro, the temptation to surf the wave of a sinking ship is high and that’s exactly what he’s doing here.
He is right about a lot of things but I’d be pretty shocked if anyone could find CT that’s not totaled for sale for 35k in the next 3 years or so.

 

[Cayden Thompson]

Not gonna lie, I wish they will get that low. I really want one

 

[gooshjkc]

I used to like his videos. His “quirks” were interesting to watch. But now, he proclaims he’s an expert on all vehicles. Especially, when he claims he knows what drivers want and need. What a freaking joke. Just like when politicians claims this is “Americans want”. I might be biased since I own a CTB, I have owned well over 30 cars in the last 35 years and my CTB is by far one of the best vehicle I have owned. Definitely in the top 3. The only way th CTs will be $35K is Tesla goes out of business or if Tesla cancels the CTs all together like Ford did with the Lighting, which Tesla won’t at least not in foreseeable future. The S and X sales are even worse then the CT and it’s still around. With the aforementioned Lighting with it out of the picture, I think CT sales will pick up some.

 

[Macgreiner]

I don't disagree with his price assumption. They may well go down to 35k. But I disagree with his assertion that it doesn't do anything well. Things could have ben so different if Elon had kept his mouth shut.

 

[Cyberhugo1]

100% chance that room smells like vegan salad and body odor.

 

[sys700]

I used to like his videos. His “quirks” were interesting to watch. But now, he proclaims he’s an expert on all vehicles. Especially, when he claims he knows what drivers want and need. What a freaking joke. Just like when politicians claims this is “Americans want”. I might be biased since I own a CTB, I have owned well over 30 cars in the last 35 years and my CTB is by far one of the best vehicle I have owned. Definitely in the top 3. The only way th CTs will be $35K is Tesla goes out of business or if Tesla cancels the CTs all together like Ford did with the Lighting, which Tesla won’t at least not in foreseeable future. The S and X sales are even worse then the CT and it’s still around. With the aforementioned Lighting with it out of the picture, I think CT sales will pick up some.

If they cancel the CT altogether, demand will increase exponentially and the price will be higher, not lower.

 

[Kenneth K.]

It really is...people always ask me how I like the truck and it is simply the best thing I have ever driven.

My respond is the same and i told them.....i can't describe them all you just have to get one.

 

[Mini2nut]

I think Doug is way off on his used CT resale predictions.

I would tend to agree if Tesla was pumping out 150,000 CT’s per year but the relatively low production numbers are helping to prop up resale values.

The least expensive Cybertruck on Autotrader when running a nationwide search reveals a 16k mile 2024 AWD for $71,900.

 

[hemiarch]

DeMuro is a pretty serious/credible car reviewer (worked for Porsche, AutoTrader, and yes, Jalopnik before becoming a YouTuber). His initial review of the Cybertruck was incredibly positive— he was one of the few (same for his review of the Model S Plaid- in fact his glowing and detailed review of the MSP is a big part of what prompted me to buy one in the first place). The title of that video was literally: “The Tesla Model S Plaid Is the World’s Fastest (and Coolest) Sedan” (Aug. 17, 2021). The title of his cybertruck video was: “2024 Tesla Cybertruck Review: This Is Just Plain Cool.”

He’s had time behind the wheel of more cars than most of us will in five lifetimes. Cars and Bids was wildly successful and certainly is a meaningful data source giving him a pretty clear view of what’s happening with car values.

I don’t agree with his opinion on this (but we’re talking about degrees not overall impression of plummeting value), but the ad hominem, from you my friend, seems pretty out of character and more to the point pretty poorly calibrated. His reviews are generally highly detailed, sober and fair nothing like click bait.

DougScores for both the S & CT were the highest in their categories. EDS/TDS? Come on man! Enough of this stupid shit.

You don’t need to like Elon to fairly rate the fruit of Tesla’s labor. Ad hominem is a LOGICAL FALLACY for a reason!

hominem is delicious btw. Especially in grits and pozole

 

[gooshjkc]

If they cancel the CT altogether, demand will increase exponentially and the price will be higher, not lower.

Maybe but not necessarily. There’s been many cases (more than not) where the price of the vehicle drop dramatically. For example, the PT cruiser. Once it was cancelled the price dropped. Another example which is closer to the CT, is the Fisker Ocean. When the company filed for bankruptcy the price dropped to the point it’s now just paper weight.

 

[PungoteagueDave]

$35,000 for a CT?!? Laughable….

Well, they were supposed to have a $39k MSRP. And you can buy full size work trucks for under $40k brand new. So $35k sounds right for a 2023 CT in 2027. I sold a $132k P85D for $29k after five years and 150k miles.

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