Cybertruck May Transition to Fully Autonomous Cargo Truck in Future, Says Musk

[turns2stone]

So, the business model is paying someone full time as a rider, instead of a driver? How does this improve over vehicles with a driver that are far more efficient by virtue of several times more cargo capacity, allowing them to deliver more packages per total miles driven?

Not a human, they'll stick an Optimus in there to load/unload the packages. The truck drives itself.

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[Limes2]

Not a human, they'll stick an Optimus in there to load/unload the packages. The truck drives itself.

Yes. Eventually. Human first then Optimus.

 

[HaulingAss]

The CT is not practical to use as a last mile delivery vehicle. Removing delivery boxes from the bed would be a PITA and you don’t need seating for 5 adults. It’s just wasted space.

I use the rear seating area as cargo space all the time! I fold the seats up but it would be even better with the seats replaced with lightweight aluminum cargo shelving.

The bed could be used for bigger items like building supplies or larger parcels (or simply more capacity for smaller parcels).

Sometimes you have to think outside the box, a cargo hook like this would make the bed practical for delivery without having to climb into the bed:

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Tesla could also implement a double side-hinged doors to replace the standard tailgate. It's never going to replace the cargo capacity of a standard Amazon delivery van operating on a regular route, I think the idea is to support businesses with autonomous custom deliveries of time sensitive items. Think auto parts deliveries, last minute construction items, unplanned tools needed at the jobsite, etc. It doesn't have the volume to work on a regular all-day route, more of a custom autonomous delivery solution, a robotaxi for goods instead of people. It could even work as a robotaxi for people with awkward cargo. It would be cheaper for a contractor to send an employee on a robotaxi ride to pick up last minute necessities than to send him off in a company pickup truck.

 

[HaulingAss]

This club has become an absolute circus of nothing but elementary pontificators who do nothing but assume the worst. You all in this chat can pretty much talk each other into the end of the world. You may as well go ahead and get rid of your trucks now… give up the dream you have been incredibly blessed with and (hopefully) enjoyed. Take a look at the half empty glass and your huge loss and wonder how you could of spent your money elsewhere…

I on the other hand like to look at this whole experience as one of the most happiest times of my life…. Yeah that’s right… I learned a long time ago that in this CyberTruck club that you need to believe NOTHING what you hear and only half of what you see.

Does your experience of the truck DEPEND on your assumption of where Tesla is going? Seriously… your letting the direction of a company, of which is ONLY speculation at best, determine how and what you feel about what’s going to happen. This reminds me of elementary school days… absolutely pathetic.

Get back to living your dream!!!

So true. Many of these people exist simply to create negativity of anything Tesla. They are not actual Cybertruck fans.

 

[JasesCybertruck]

So true. Many of these people exist simply to create negativity of anything Tesla. They are not actual Cybertruck fans.

Right? And god forbid ANYONE post ANYTHING in here without the trolls bashing each other with complete ignorance and feeble attempts at humor… what a JOKE!

 

[Cybertruck2024]

Right? And god forbid ANYONE post ANYTHING in here without the trolls bashing each other with complete ignorance and feeble attempts at humor… what a JOKE!

I love my CT and as long as it is in production, I hope many more people get to love it too. The reality is Tesla has killed the two other vehicles which itself lumps together with the Cybertruck in its results and has foreshadowed a path to the end of the vehicle by making it a fully autonomous cargo vehicle. Of course that will get people on a Cybertruck enthusiast forum talking.

 

[cyberpunker]

I don't see how a truck can be autonomous at this point in time at least. Or delivering stuff from point A -> B can work. But, imo that's only part of what a truck is used for... the solutions a truck provide often involve getting into tough situations that require some planning and coordination to get out of at best...

 

[HaulingAss]

Absolutely, I think putting Uber drivers out of work is as far as that will go. I love FSD, I use it to drive me to work on certain days, but other days I just enjoy driving. I don't think he comprehends that want to drive.

Elon understands more than his detractors will ever know. The proof is in his outsized successes. Success is not possible without understanding the things that actually matter to those successes.

The size of the ride-hailing market is very sensitive to price. That means the market will expand dramatically when it is cheap, ubiquitous and convenient enough. The current ride-hailing market is tiny, due mostly to expensive pricing, but also long waits in many areas. Another negative is that the drivers of ride-hailing services are not always who you want to be in the same car with. Many of them aren't even skilled drivers.

I'm estimating falling prices and increasing convenience will cause the ride-hailing market to expand to 30-50 times it's current size (in terms of miles used). In terms of the size of the market in actual dollars the increase will be less dramatic, but still many multiples of where it is today.

 

[Cybertruck2024]

Elon understands more than his detractors will ever know. The proof is in his outsized successes. Success is not possible without understanding the things that actually matter to those successes.

The size of the ride-hailing market is very sensitive to price. That means the market will expand dramatically when it is cheap, ubiquitous and convenient enough. The current ride-hailing market is tiny, due mostly to expensive pricing, but also long waits in many areas. Another negative is that the drivers of ride-hailing services are not always who you want to be in the same car with. Many of them aren't even skilled drivers.

I'm estimating falling prices and increasing convenience will cause the ride-hailing market to expand to 30-50 times it's current size (in terms of miles used). In terms of the size of the market in actual dollars the increase will be less dramatic, but still many multiples of where it is today.

I agree with this. Tesla needs to get government approval to have more self driving cars on the road, that is the biggest obstacle. Also, no matter who's fault it is, when there will inevitably a serious accident in a self driving ride hailing Tesla will be major obstacle number two. How Tesla navigates these injuries and deaths will be key to sustaining a service.

I said somewhere else, Tesla would be ecstatic with 20% of the robot market. I assume the same is true for ride hailing self driving market. Things like rural areas won't ever make sense for Tesla and the type of services they can offer, the whole business works on lack of downtime and availability, and this can't be promised or accomplished in rural areas. This is why other automakers will still have a sizable market to service, there's a lot of pie to go around.

 

[YDR37]

The reality is Tesla has killed the two other vehicles which itself lumps together with the Cybertruck in its results

True, and this has possible implications for Tesla's future reporting.

Tesla, unlike most automakers, doesn't report production or deliveries of individual models. Instead, they report numbers for "Model 3/Y" combined, and "Other Models" combined. The "Other Models" category includes Model S, Model X, and Cybertruck.

But what happens when Tesla no longer manufactures or sells the S/X? Then the only vehicle left in the "Other Models" category will be the Cybertruck.

So in theory, we could start getting exact numbers from Tesla for Cybertruck production and deliveries. Although Tesla could also eliminate the "Other Models" category, and simply lump all their vehicles together.

 

[HaulingAss]

I said somewhere else, Tesla would be ecstatic with 20% of the robot market. I assume the same is true for ride hailing self driving market. Things like rural areas won't ever make sense for Tesla and the type of services they can offer, the whole business works on lack of downtime and availability, and this can't be promised or accomplished in rural areas. This is why other automakers will still have a sizable market to service, there's a lot of pie to go around.

I disagree that Tesla robo taxi service is not suited to rural areas. The metrics that govern each operator actually favor Tesla for rural areas (as well as urban). Cheaper is cheaper and cheaper is more desirable. You have to do mental gymnastics to make the case that non-Tesla robo taxi operators will somehow dominate rural areas.

 

[HaulingAss]

True, and this has possible implications for Tesla's future reporting.

Tesla, unlike most automakers, doesn't report production or deliveries of individual models. Instead, they report numbers for "Model 3/Y" combined, and "Other Models" combined. The "Other Models" category includes Model S, Model X, and Cybertruck.

But what happens when Tesla no longer manufactures or sells the S/X? Then the only vehicle left in the "Other Models" category will be the Cybertruck.

So in theory, we could start getting exact numbers from Tesla for Cybertruck production and deliveries. Although Tesla could also eliminate the "Other Models" category, and simply lump all their vehicles together.

You forgot about the Tesla Semi. The production lines/equipment is getting tuned for large scale production as we sit here.

 

[YDR37]

You forgot about the Tesla Semi. The production lines/equipment is getting tuned for large scale production as we sit here.

OK, you could be right. Maybe Tesla will report numbers for "Model 3/Y" and "Trucks".

 

[Cayden Thompson]

OK, you could be right. Maybe Tesla will report numbers for "Model 3/Y" and "Trucks".

Or just "other" lol

 

[CyberTrk]

Going back to the title "Cybertruck May Transition to Fully Autonomous Cargo Truck"

- I can see FSD providing Autonomous driving,
but how much of the Cybertuck platform can be really used or is needed?

I mean, the Rivian van developed for Amazon seems to be what required.

I remember, in 2018, Elon Musk mentioning getting some Mercedes-Benz Sprinter as a "glider"
to develop some utilitarian vehicles or camper van.

Musk indicated that using existing Sprinter shells "gliders" could allow for faster production than developing a van entirely in-house.

It have been mentioned also that the 'Robovan' presented as the same time as the 'CyberTaxi'
might be build at the future Semi factory in Nevada, and not at the Austin Gigafactory.

From the last Tesla financial report, I was hoping that Tesla would have announced
producing an SUV version of the Cybertruck, but instead announcing a Cargo Truck,
whose size and shape can be anything, still puzzle me.

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