FSD 14 release next month will start nagging much less - says Musk

[ldiebel]

complete opposite. Elon doesn't promise anything, he predicts and in most cases Tesla delivers more than most people should expect.

If you are displeased with the progress of FSD, then perhaps you should go try SuperCruise, or Bluecruise, RAP, etc.

I think he's sincere but chronically over optimistic.
I also develop products and I have the same problem.
I'd rather be that way than the behemoths that never miss a dead line because the hardly commit to anything.

 

[cybertrok]

complete opposite. Elon doesn't promise anything, he predicts and in most cases Tesla delivers more than most people should expect.

If you are displeased with the progress of FSD, then perhaps you should go try SuperCruise, or Bluecruise, RAP, etc.

You can’t compare Supercruise or Bluecruise to FSD. FSD is way more advanced

 

[EctoSlymer]

You must have never driven a Toyota with full self driving tech. Not many vehicles have it. To say it doesn’t even come close to Tesla, is laughable. And I love my CT. But claiming Toyota AdvancedDrive does not come close to FSD is just a lie. It does not incessantly nag, and it works just as well as FSD. In fact, independent highway safety reviewers have determined that it works maybe even slightly better, iirc.

ChatGPT:

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Short answer: yes.





Two independent test programs have found Toyota/Lexus’s system scores higher than Tesla’s on safety‑related highway assist metrics:

• IIHS “Partial Automation Safeguard Ratings” (Mar 2024): The only system to earn an overall Acceptable was Lexus Teammate with Advanced Drive (on the Lexus LS). Tesla’s system (tested on a Model 3) earned an overall Poor for safeguards like driver‑monitoring, attention reminders, and emergency fallback.
• Euro NCAP “Assisted Driving Gradings” (Jun 2025): Toyota bZ4X received a Very Good assisted‑driving grade, while the Tesla Model S (Autopilot) was graded Moderate due to weak balance of driver engagement vs assistance (despite strong safety backup).

Consumer Reports’ most recent full ranking (2023) also put Tesla mid‑pack and highlighted shortcomings in communication/driver monitoring compared with top systems, with Toyota/Lexus not at the top but generally ahead of Tesla in clarity and collaboration with the driver.





Bottom line: in safety‑oriented evaluations of highway assist/partial automation, Toyota/Lexus’s Teammate/Advanced Drive has tested better than Tesla’s Autopilot/FSD on safeguards and driver‑engagement.”

It’s ok not to be a fanboi. I promise.

 

[EctoSlymer]

You can’t compare Supercruise or Bluecruise to FSD. FSD is way more advanced

And Toyota AdvanceDrive is far more advanced than FSD according to multiple independent evaluators. And if only Tesla can concede that, then maybe they can actually play catchup. Burying your head in the sand to the fact that there are better alternatives, does not make Tesla FSD magically better than Toyota’s system.

 

[Macgreiner]

complete opposite. Elon doesn't promise anything, he predicts and in most cases Tesla delivers more than most people should expect.

If you are displeased with the progress of FSD, then perhaps you should go try SuperCruise, or Bluecruise, RAP, etc.

If they are indeed predictions and not promises, he is pretty bad at it then.

 

[SCTesla]

You must have never driven a Toyota with full self driving tech. Not many vehicles have it. To say it doesn’t even come close to Tesla, is laughable. And I love my CT. But claiming Toyota AdvancedDrive does not come close to FSD is just a lie. It does not incessantly nag, and it works just as well as FSD. In fact, independent highway safety reviewers have determined that it works maybe even slightly better, iirc.

You are joking, right?

You're talking about a highway only lane assist vs FSD? That's comparing apples to hand grenades. It, much like Blue Cruise, is compable to AutoPilot, but not FSD.

Toyota has partnerships to begin work on a FSD like software, but it's years out.

 

[EctoSlymer]

You are joking, right?

You're talking about a highway only lane assist vs FSD? That's comparing apples to hand grenades. It, much like Blue Cruise, is compable to AutoPilot, but not FSD.

Toyota has partnerships to begin work on a FSD like software, but it's years out.

Toyota AdvancedDrive is not only lane assist. It’s not akin to autopilot. You’re showing your ignorance. The independent researchers confirm what I’m saying. FSD is inferior to Toyota AdvancedDrive. Don’t you want things to be made better? I sure hope Tesla improves so that FSD is as nag free as Toyota‘s system has been for years.

 

[SCTesla]

Toyota AdvancedDrive is not only lane assist. It’s not akin to autopilot. You’re showing your ignorance. The independent researchers confirm what I’m saying. FSD is inferior to Toyota AdvancedDrive. Don’t you want things to be made better? I sure hope Tesla improves so that FSD is as nag free as Toyota‘s system has been for years.

Toyota wouldn't agree with you.

They announced a partnership with Nvidia and Waymo and have goals to create their own FSD-like sofware. AdvancedDrive is considered highway lane assist, much like Ford's BlueCruise.

There's no "research" proving you correct. FSD is a designed to be L3+ where it can control all driving, Toyota's AdvancedDrive is not. It's ignorant to say elsewise. If you believe highway lane assist with the ability to change lanes is all you need, you can have an opinion that you prefer AdvancedDrive or Blue Cruise, but those products aren't competing with FSD or near as complex as what FSD can do.

 

[65SoYoLO]

Says Elon:

Once we confirm real-world safety of FSD 14, which we think will be amazing, the car will nag you much less.

Awesome!!!

 

[EctoSlymer]

Toyota wouldn't agree with you.

They announced a partnership with Nvidia and Waymo and have goals to create their own FSD-like sofware. AdvancedDrive is considered highway lane assist, much like Ford's BlueCruise.

There's no "research" proving you correct. FSD is a designed to be L3+ where it can control all driving, Toyota's AdvancedDrive is not. It's ignorant to say elsewise. If you believe highway lane assist with the ability to change lanes is all you need, you can have an opinion that you prefer AdvancedDrive or Blue Cruise, but those products aren't competing with FSD or near as complex as what FSD can do.

They do what they do, with far less nag than Tesla’s system performing the same tasks. Hence, Tesla’s nags are pointless. (A Tesla should be able to travel down the highway and change lanes, with no more nag than Toyota’s current system. But it doesn’t.) Toyota’s system is also deemed safer btw.

 

[Mal]

Sorry, man, not even close. I can use FSD from my driveway, through the woods, through town, through roundabouts, through parking lots, and to the store. And back.

Toyota isn't in the same ballpark.

From Toyota:

Where can I use Advanced Drive?
Advanced Drive2 is only available on mapped, limited access roadways.

What is a limited access roadway?
A limited access roadway has on and off ramps, does not have stop lights, and is a divided roadway on which traffic in the opposing direction is separated by a barrier or other median.

What is a mapped roadway?
Advanced Drive relies on HD map data. Certain roadways or portions of roadways may not have current HD map data. In these areas where HD map data is not available, Advance Drive will also not be available.

Visit www.Toyota.com/Mirai/Teammate to view an interactive map showing which roadways are supported with HD map data.

 

[SCTesla]

Sorry, man, not even close. I can use FSD from my driveway, through the woods, through town, through roundabouts, through parking lots, and to the store. And back.

Toyota isn't in the same ballpark.

From Toyota:

Where can I use Advanced Drive?
Advanced Drive2 is only available on mapped, limited access roadways.

What is a limited access roadway?
A limited access roadway has on and off ramps, does not have stop lights, and is a divided roadway on which traffic in the opposing direction is separated by a barrier or other median.

What is a mapped roadway?
Advanced Drive relies on HD map data. Certain roadways or portions of roadways may not have current HD map data. In these areas where HD map data is not available, Advance Drive will also not be available.

Visit www.Toyota.com/Mirai/Teammate to view an interactive map showing which roadways are supported with HD map data.

Like I said, Toyota doesn't agree that it's system is more advanced than FSD. That's why they are making huge investments to create something that competes with FSD, but it's years away.

 

[EctoSlymer]

Sorry, man, not even close. I can use FSD from my driveway, through the woods, through town, through roundabouts, through parking lots, and to the store. And back.

Toyota isn't in the same ballpark.

From Toyota:

Where can I use Advanced Drive?
Advanced Drive2 is only available on mapped, limited access roadways.

What is a limited access roadway?
A limited access roadway has on and off ramps, does not have stop lights, and is a divided roadway on which traffic in the opposing direction is separated by a barrier or other median.

What is a mapped roadway?
Advanced Drive relies on HD map data. Certain roadways or portions of roadways may not have current HD map data. In these areas where HD map data is not available, Advance Drive will also not be available.

Visit www.Toyota.com/Mirai/Teammate to view an interactive map showing which roadways are supported with HD map data.

FSD off the highway is surely welcome and appreciated by me. But that does not change the fact. Toyota AdvancedDrive performs on highways with far less nag, AND safer, than Tesla FSD does. THAT’S the glaring oversight here.

 

[SCTesla]

FSD off the highway is surely welcome and appreciated by me. But that does not change the fact. Toyota AdvancedDrive performs on highways with far less nag, AND safer, than Tesla FSD does. THAT’S the glaring oversight here.

Again, it's not apples to apples. FSD is made to drive everywhere and handle all tasks. The NHTSA has forced Tesla to increase the monitoring because of the capabilities of the system. AdvancedDrive, Blue Cruise, Super Cruise are never going to try to drive off the interstate, obey traffic lights, do uturns.... It's less ambiguous to the driver what is occurring because they are limited to a specific type of driving.

There's no real data of which is safer. Tesla would say theirs is, but that doesn't matter...it's not comparable and certainly not as "advanced".

 

[REM]

If they are indeed predictions and not promises, he is pretty bad at it then.

Ok then. We welcome your tailored predictions.

Tell us, if Elon misses the mark on 6 weeks for FSD 14, can you give us a technical breakdown as to why? Don't forget to include the extreme regulatory red tape hurdles that keep getting tossed in at the last minute before a new rollout.

Looking forward to your analysis.