Autopilot

[REM]

Incorrect again. Tesla has never received a federal mandate for any feature other than through recalls, and each of those was initiated by Tesla itself. There is no set of Federal regulations associated with AP or FSD. There have been a few Federal inquiries and requests for more information, to which Tesla has responded, but there has never been a feature change due to Federal action. Tesla added nag in early 2016 exclusively and directly as a result of idiots posting videos of Teslas without drivers in the front left seat. They were using AP, a feature that was advertised and contracted for with buyers by Tesla as included in the CT, but which is now abandoned.

We can speculate that the reason Tesla gave up on AP for CT is resource leveling and the low take rate for the truck no longer justifying the commitment, but it was a legally enforceable obligation. It is also a moral obligation. There were things that Tesla could have done to hedge this commitment, but did not do. For example, there was no need to include it at all in the feature set listed in sales and contractual language, instead focusing on the superior FSD feature set. This may have been an oversight, but it does put them in a box because of the few folks who cling to AP and prefer not to pay for FSD.

One way for Tesla to shunt the issue entirely is seen in their first step to evade this obligation - provide free FSD. They have now done this for every CT for an added year beyond the trial period. The next stop would be to define FSD as fully incorporating the AP feature set, which it essentially already does. The final step would be to rename FSD as FSD/AP or something similar and say “mission accomplished”. The problem with this is the future FSD revenue stream to Tesla. Perhaps the CT will remain a niche vehicle and that revenue loss won’t be material, so every truck sold going forward will simply include FSD.

It’s pretty clear that not including some sort of AP/cruise control as a base feature is a nonstarter for even the lowest price CT. There’s no $60k vehicle sold by any manufacturer without some sort of AP-like cruise control.

I'm getting pretty tired of proving you wrong from a 1 minute google search, so I'll just leave this here:

https://www.automotivedive.com/news...a result of those,, serious injury or death.”

Not going to even bother commenting or reading further, might as well be talking to a brick wall. You are a naysayer with nothing better to do than just be a contrarian; ignoring plain truth.

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[PungoteagueDave]

I'm getting pretty tired of proving you wrong from a 1 minute google search, so I'll just leave this here:

https://www.automotivedive.com/news/nhtsa-opens-investigation-tesla-fsd-odi-crashes-autopilot/730353/#:~:text=As a result of those,, serious injury or death.”

Not going to even bother commenting or reading further, might as well be talking to a brick wall. You are a naysayer with nothing better to do than just be a contrarian; ignoring plain truth.

Linked article shows nothing of the kind. Elon said clearly that Tesla initiated that recall on its own, as I said above. There are zero federal regulations for self-driving cars. Not one that is specific to FSD functionality. I pointed out that there had been investigations but no changes resulting therefrom because there is no controlling authority. Tesla added nag entirely on its own. NHSTA wrote a comment letter, and that’s the extent of their involvement. They requested and/or required Tesla to to exactly nothing.

 

[PungoteagueDave]

I'm getting pretty tired of proving you wrong from a 1 minute google search, so I'll just leave this here:

https://www.automotivedive.com/news/nhtsa-opens-investigation-tesla-fsd-odi-crashes-autopilot/730353/#:~:text=As a result of those,, serious injury or death.”

Not going to even bother commenting or reading further, might as well be talking to a brick wall. You are a naysayer with nothing better to do than just be a contrarian; ignoring plain truth.

Link to one set of government rules or regulations associated with FSD. Just one. They do not exist. Link to a single approval process associated with self driving technology. Just one. Outside of several state approval processes, no such thing exists. That’s an Elon Musk red herring, an omnibus get out of jail free card with respect to FSD delays.

 

[Docedward]

Towing. I just want Autopilot for towing please. Like the big boys have- with their coal diesel blue cruise.

 

[REM]

Link to one set of government rules or regulations associated with FSD. Just one. They do not exist. Link to a single approval process associated with self driving technology. Just one. Outside of several state approval processes, no such thing exists. That’s an Elon Musk red herring, an omnibus get out of jail free card with respect to FSD delays.

I literally already provided you a source, and you refused to read it lmao. Not going to allow you to keep trolling me and wasting my time.

Mute ?

 

[dalton108]

I literally already provided you a source, and you refused to read it lmao. Not going to allow you to keep trolling me and wasting my time.

Mute ?

Oh no! Poor Punxsutawney Phil!

 

[MIGUEL GONZALEZ DEL REY]

Ok, what's "base autopilot"? Define it.

Hello, I have not received any notifications, and there was only a month of FSD...

 

[xmario]

Since you guys are speculating that AP is an old software stack that they don't want to keep maintaining but rather move it all into paid FSD, now imagine "next month" they actually disabled AP and sent out the dreaded notification to dozens of millions of S3XY owners...epic riots!
I am afraid they have no choice but to continue maintaining this "old" feature for a very looong time. it's sad indeed they skimped out for CT, as I don't care for FSD really, until i'm in my 70's

 

[REM]

Since you guys are speculating that AP is an old software stack that they don't want to keep maintaining but rather move it all into paid FSD, now imagine "next month" they actually disabled AP and sent out the dreaded notification to dozens of millions of S3XY owners...epic riots!
I am afraid they have no choice but to continue maintaining this "old" feature for a very looong time. it's sad indeed they skimped out for CT, as I don't care for FSD really, until i'm in my 70's

There will very likely be a base feature set with FSD that is always free. Tesla is in a super hard spot with how to move forward without confusing people, but eventually will need to mothball Autopilot since having 2 stacks is very inefficient.

I think maybe the "free" FSD will only operate in chill mode, lack extras like auto-park or summon, etc.

I think there is a real problem with having 2 stacks as well, because if I were to go back to autopilot after a year of FSD, I will likely blow through stop signs because my brain would be so used to FSD. Tough problem for them to solve.

 

[JCERRN]

I think tesla messed up big time by selling CT’s with order sheets that say “base autopilot” included.

The order sheets for new trucks now say “traffic aware cruise control” included.

“Base autopilot” across every other car in the fleet includes autosteer. Nothing indicated at the time of purchase that “base autopilot” for CT did not include autosteer, and even then, if it didn't or wouldn't, why change the wording on the order sheet for new vehicles?

i think tesla owes anyone who purchased a CT with “base autopilot” included and not “traffic aware cruise control” included autosteer capability.

 

[MIGUEL GONZALEZ DEL REY]

I think tesla messed up big time by selling CT’s with order sheets that say “base autopilot” included.

The order sheets for new trucks now say “traffic aware cruise control” included.

“Base autopilot” across every other car in the fleet includes autosteer. Nothing indicated at the time of purchase that “base autopilot” for CT did not include autosteer, and even then, if it didn't or wouldn't, why change the wording on the order sheet for new vehicles?

i think tesla owes anyone who purchased a CT with “base autopilot” included and not “traffic aware cruise control” included autosteer capability.

That is so true!!! and Tesla can fix it!! I am very sad that my model Y 2022 has autopilot and my Cybertruck 2025 wich cost twice as much does not have it!
Please Tesla do something about this.

 

[YDR37]

I am very sad that my model Y 2022 has autopilot and my Cybertruck 2025 wich cost twice as much does not have it!
Please Tesla do something about this.

Update: Tesla finally did something about it:

Tesla has officially discontinued Autopilot in the U.S. and Canada. All new car purchases now come standard with Traffic-Aware Cruise Control.

So going forward, all S3XY vehicles and the Cybertruck will be on an equal footing: none of them will get Autopilot. The options will be the standard Traffic-Aware Cruise Control, or an FSD subscription for $99/month.

 

[SMAC1731]

Update: Tesla finally did something about it:

So going forward, all S3XY vehicles and the Cybertruck will be on an equal footing: none of them will get Autopilot. The options will be the standard Traffic-Aware Cruise Control, or an FSD subscription for $99/month.

this sucks. i dont get how they are going to handle trucks that were ordered with the autopilot expectation.

 

[SCTesla]

this sucks. i dont get how they are going to handle trucks that were ordered with the autopilot expectation.

They announced a while ago the CT will never get AP. They gave those users 1 year free FSD.

 

[SMAC1731]

They announced a while ago the CT will never get AP. They gave those users 1 year free FSD.

i didnt think they officially said that? i thought the year of free fsd was to cover autopilot not being sorted out YET.

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