Winching...

[CyberCop]

If tesla does have a winch for the cyber truck it will definitely be an option as not every truck owner puts a winch on the front of his truck.
I for one would like to see it I would also like to see it somewhat hidden in the frunk as well.

it’s already been said that there will be rail systems in the bed of the cyber truck so attaching connecting points to hold a winch to allow it to pull things up into the bed would not be a problem, power is already there.

 

[akjames]

Winch mounts should be built in, front and rear. Put a plate over the opening for those who don't opt for it/them.

 

[jayrhacker]

Replacement bumper in the front with a 2" receiver tube. Get a winch that comes in a cradle. Wire both front and back of the truck. Pin the winch cradle in either front or back depending on the direction you need to be winched out. When done put the winch back in the Frunk. This solution keeps the winch out of the weather and doesn't change the front end very much. Also allows for both direction winching.

This is the setup I have on my truck right now, haven't had to winch off the back but I *can* which is nice.

 

[Luke42]

So, on an ALL ELECTRIC vehicle.. you don't expect an electric motor to drive the winch?

I'll say the unspoken part of this conversation out loud, so those who aren't familiar with the ICE off-road stack can follow along.

Existing winches take 12V DC power at high amperage (600+ cold-crank peak amps). The system is optimized for load-spikes, rather than for continuous operation, but it can deliver a lot of amps when required. This isn't ideal, but it works pretty well on a conventional ICE vehicle, because a system like this already exists to power the starter and because 4x4 spend most of their time not-stuck.

However, there's no reason to build a high-amperage 12V system into an EV -- Unless you want compatibility with existing aftermarket winches, lights, radios, and enormous car stereos. Tesla is willing to break convention, though (that's why they exist) so there's no reason to think they'll put this kind of 12V system in the car.

How you power a winch really is an open question.

If I were designing a winch system with no prior art, I'd probably use a 220V variable frequency AC motor and controller and optimize from there. However, that takes just as much engineering as a high-amperage 12V system -- AND breaks it compatibility with the existing aftermarket (which increases costs and decreases options).

What, if anything, will Tesla do here?

 

[Dids]

I'll say the unspoken part of this conversation out loud, so those who aren't familiar with the ICE off-road stack can follow along.

Existing winches take 12V DC power at high amperage (600+ cold-crank peak amps). The system is optimized for load-spikes, rather than for continuous operation, but it can deliver a lot of amps when required. This isn't ideal, but it works pretty well on a conventional ICE vehicle, because a system like this already exists to power the starter and because 4x4 spend most of their time not-stuck.

However, there's no reason to build a high-amperage 12V system into an EV -- Unless you want compatibility with existing aftermarket winches, lights, radios, and enormous car stereos. Tesla is willing to break convention, though (that's why they exist) so there's no reason to think they'll put this kind of 12V system in the car.

How you power a winch really is an open question.

If I were designing a winch system with no prior art, I'd probably use a 220V variable frequency AC motor and controller and optimize from there. However, that takes just as much engineering as a high-amperage 12V system -- AND breaks it compatibility with the existing aftermarket (which increases costs and decreases options).

What, if anything, will Tesla do here?

I vote for not 12v... backwards or any type of compatible isn't really a Tesla thing.

 

[Deleted member 3316]

If I were designing a winch system with no prior art, I'd probably use a 220V variable frequency AC motor and controller and optimize from there. However, that takes just as much engineering as a high-amperage 12V system -- AND breaks it compatibility with the existing aftermarket (which increases costs and decreases options).

What, if anything, will Tesla do here?

I vote for not 12v... backwards or any type of compatible isn't really a Tesla thing.

Rather than adding another motor to run the winch, I wonder if a power take off from the front and rear motors would add too much complexity? A clutched planetary gear?

 

[Crissa]

Isn't there a market for winches in shops and industrial settings that run on 240v?

-Crissa

 

[TruckElectric]

No need to worry about a winch for Cybertruck.

Seriously, what kind of ultimate truck for off-roading and the Apocalypse would be without a winch? Winches also come in handy for a multitude of purposes besides off-roading.

There WILL BE a winch and it will be designed and built in-house by Tesla engineers and it will be an option.

BUT, it may not make it in the first production of Cybertruck.

 

[ajdelange]

What, if anything, will Tesla do here?

They will obviously use the same technology they use for the traction motors i.e. 3ø AC motor (induction or synchonous) connected to the high voltage battery through an H bridge but geared for the lower speed and higher torque required of a winch. Much simpler control algorithm of course.

 

[Billh]

With a gross vehicle weight estimated to be in the neighborhood of 8000 pounds, you’d need upwards of a 15,000 - 16,000 pound winch.

My other thoughts/concerns would be how to mount one on the front; would it be able to be mounted semi internally (not to mention be able to be wired), or would it have to be mounted in an external bumper like other conventional 4 x 4‘s.

The lack of hard data and specifications available at this point is testing my patience. ?

It would be nice to see Tesla design a light weight high efficient hydronic winch option with 12 strand Rope at 12,000 lb plus Capacity ..The hydronic or other fluid (Spacex style) build into the exoskeleton with a micro camera feed of the Rope spool and Direction of tow with safety stops etc.They certainly have the tools to do so. If they do it would likely be a device that would be the envy of the off road community.

 

[Diehard]

BUT, it may not make it in the first production of Cybertruck.

This is one of those BUTs that look much better to those of us in back of the line

 

[jonny]

With a gross vehicle weight estimated to be in the neighborhood of 8000 pounds, you’d need upwards of a 15,000 - 16,000 pound winch.

My other thoughts/concerns would be how to mount one on the front; would it be able to be mounted semi internally (not to mention be able to be wired), or would it have to be mounted in an external bumper like other conventional 4 x 4‘s.

The lack of hard data and specifications available at this point is testing my patience. ?

I was thinking about what if you attached a webbing strap around the tire, anchored at a hole in the wheel (lie you would tire chains or cables). if you could get the wheel to spin slowly enough, the motor has more than enough torque to work. opinion?

 

[Deleted member 3316]

I was thinking about what if you attached a webbing strap around the tire, anchored at a hole in the wheel (lie you would tire chains or cables). if you could get the wheel to spin slowly enough, the motor has more than enough torque to work. opinion?

this should give you an answer.

 

[jonny]

this should give you an answer.

thanks for posting!!!!!

 

[Deleted member 3316]

thanks for posting!!!!!

If you liked that then I’m sure you’ll like this.
I think a setup similar to this on the Cybertruck would be epic.