[Update] FSD v14.2.2.4 Almost Hit a Girl Crossing Street (No it didn’t - Don’t rest your foot on accelerator)

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My wife just pointed out that NHTSA's insistence on coming to a complete and absolute stop before the legal stop line, even when it's awkward and completely unnecessary for safety reasons, can actually increase accidents by habituating FSD drivers to push on the accelerator pedal at intersections so it conforms more with how humans actually drive and how others expect humans to drive.

IMO, Tesla decided not to push back on NHTSA on this point, not because they thought NHTSA was right, but to avoid getting into a more antagonistic relationship with the federal government (considering that Biden was not friendly towards Tesla to begin with). This near accident never would have happened if NHTSA had not forced Tesla to stop unnaturally at intersections. Autopilot used to roll through intersections much more naturally, just like a typical human driver, if it could verify the coast was clear.

This is why we can't have nice things.
Very, very interesting. Yeah, I’m so surprised at myself for having done it, but it raises the question what would cause me to do it in the first place. Intriguing point.
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reply to another post about FSD not doing what you think it should do:
1. changing lanes I've learned, hopefully, I try to let it change lanes even when I don't want to. Because, it starts over into the unwanted lane, to cancel that lane change after its already part of the way into that lane, your car slows down, you have to get back on the throttled quickly, get back over, and your blinker is still flashing for the lane change 10 or 20 or more seconds later. what does that look like to the driver behind you. And remember you are driving the most conspicuous and hated vehicle there ever was.
2. pulling out from stop signs: let it stop at the stop sign, pull forward where the cameras can check and calculate when it is safe. Make that be the habit, no matter what.
3. If FSD has chosen a route you don't agree with: Same as number 1 above. Wait until you are sure it is safe to stop and double back.


Addendum: in the last few months since FSD has gotten better it seems as though FSD doesn't want you driving.
 
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Very, very interesting. Yeah, I’m so surprised at myself for having done it, but it raises the question what would cause me to do it in the first place. Intriguing point.
I think many of us have done / do it. I used to be more impatient with my truck and would gently 'encourage' it to move forward when it lingered overly long at a stop. Then, one day I was a stop sign waiting to turn left onto a cross street with no apparent traffic. The cross street was heavily lined with bushes. The truck wasn't moving forward and even leaning forward, I didn't see anything coming. So I goosed it - and there was a bicyclist flying down the shoulder of the cross street (hidden from me by the bushes).

Fortunately I stopped in time, but it was a good reminder that the cameras sit further forward than you do, can see more than you, and the truck is always watching.

(to be honest, I still goose it - but waaaaay more carefully now)
 

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[UPDATE!!]
Genuine apologies to everyone, as a couple folks pointed out it clearly shows the accelerator pedal being pushed by me. I am very glad this was brought to my attention as it’s a wake up call to remember so much of driving happens unconsciously, and pushing the accelerator pedal can also become second nature as we become more accustomed to FSD steering for us and us wanting to “just go.” Note to self and huge reminder to not rest your foot on the accelerator 🤦🏻‍♂️.

Clearly my mind was somewhere else and I have no recollection of pressing the accelerator, but the data clearly indicates that I did. I admit this was my mistake and apologies for stirring folks up around this. I am relieved that FSD does seem to be on the right track and it actually seems to have helped STOP the car for the safety of the pedestrian, it’s now clear to me it’s hesitating to GO instead of stop.

Again, my apologies and thank you to those who pointed this out. Big wake up call to pay attention to our often unconscious actions while using FSD. Genuinely surprised and caught off-guard at my own action here, but a bit relieved as well. Important to admit this mistake was on me.

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I absolutely love my Cybertruck, in no way do I want to create a negative post, but this was a wake up call for me as I’d honestly been getting a bit lazy lately with the nagging being so much less, looking at my phone and such.

You can see in the video exactly how long the truck was in FSD and when I hit the brakes and turned the wheel left, it was 100% going to cut off this girl and 99% probably going to hit her. Scary moment. See for yourself. Just a heads up to everyone to truly stay alert, especially in the city around crosswalks. Honestly blown away that this happened, my trust in FSD was nearly unbreakable. Caution.

A good lesson for us all. Thanks for sharing, even if painful, it makes us all better. Kudos.
 


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I was driving in a restaurant parking lot the other day, in the dark, on FSD, looking to leave the parking lot. Suddenly the truck slowed down as if to stop. Frustrated, I pressed the accelerator pedal lightly to disengage. That's when I saw the girl, in my A-pillar blindspot, stepping out of an unlit spot near the side of the restaurant, about to walk across in front of me to deliver a take out order to a customer. I had to immediately tap the brakes to wave her across. The truck knew she was there. I was wrong for disengaging. It's not always correct, but most of the time it sees things I just don't see. I'm learning to trust it more and more.
 

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Jalopnik and Electrek about to release misleading articles covering half the story along with sensationalized headlines in 3...2...1...
Fred Lambert was probably wetting himself with glee at reading this thread at the start. He’s become useless.
 

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I could be wrong, but when I look at my Dashcam footage, the accelerator pedal is never "lit" or showing anything when FSD is driving. It only shows something when I press it.

Therefore, it looks like you might have inadvertently been pushing the accelerator pedal and forcing it to drive forward. BTW, I find myself doing this occasionally when I'm in a hurry and want to nudge the truck to start moving.

Again, other people, please verify your Dashcam shows the same thing!


First Video shows FSD engaged in similar circumstance. Note no indication of accelerator pressed:





Second time manually driving. Note accelerator pedal lit indicating it was pressed:




BTW, please don't take this the wrong way!!! Just trying to be helpful...
I have a bad habit of leaving stops with accelerator pressed, too, to overrule the stupid 2 second NHTSA stop. But I’ve had a few close calls with the left A-pillar blind spot, with people moving across in sync with the blind spot, so I’m trying to just give it a blip to overrule the NHTSA, and then let FSD properly determine based on what it’s seeing.
 


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That sounds like 14.2.2.2. I got 14.2.2.3 a few days ago, which seems to have fixed the the truck not going in the direction the nav system says to go it.
I wouldn't say it's fixed. It's been improved, for sure, but my 14.2.2.4 Cybertruck still deviates from nav (sometimes for good, sometimes for bad), but not nearly as frequently (or as badly) as my 14.2.2.3 Model Y. The past couple months' updates have been a really interesting collection of improvements and regressions. IMHO
 

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My wife just pointed out that NHTSA's insistence on coming to a complete and absolute stop before the legal stop line, even when it's awkward and completely unnecessary for safety reasons, can actually increase accidents by habituating FSD drivers to push on the accelerator pedal at intersections so it conforms more with how humans actually drive and how others expect humans to drive.

IMO, Tesla decided not to push back on NHTSA on this point, not because they thought NHTSA was right, but to avoid getting into a more antagonistic relationship with the federal government (considering that Biden was not friendly towards Tesla to begin with). This near accident never would have happened if NHTSA had not forced Tesla to stop unnaturally at intersections. Autopilot used to roll through intersections much more naturally, just like a typical human driver, if it could verify the coast was clear.

This is why we can't have nice things.
I share your feelings about the rolling stop. But Tesla COULD achieve a reasonable middle ground by having FSD wait a bit longer to make the final deceleration from 5mph to 0, reducing that excruciatingly LOOONGGGG slow-down BEFORE it comes to a complete stop. The full stop is a minor nuisance; the 5-minute-long (seemingly) wait for the stop to actually happen is truly aggravating.
 

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I have goosed the pedal too soon before when making a right. I try not to do it.

Anyways glad this was a false alarm.
I find myself "pushing" FSD, frequently, through turns, following stop signs. BUT, I've learned to check first, to be sure FSD isn't hesitating for a reason. I've learned (the hard way) that FSD is FREQUENTLY aware of things that I am not, and almost always handles those things appropriately. The NHTSA full stop BS has created a system that provokes drivers (both in the FSD vehicle, and in other vehicles interacting with it) into habitual "pushing" that can sometimes be dangerous - such as in the OPs case.
 

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@HaulingAss ' wife nailed it.

The NHTSA-imposed full-stop is probably the single most unsafe thing about FSD 14.x.
No, the impatient human driver is.
I was driving in a restaurant parking lot the other day, in the dark, on FSD, looking to leave the parking lot. Suddenly the truck slowed down as if to stop. Frustrated, I pressed the accelerator pedal lightly to disengage. That's when I saw the girl, in my A-pillar blindspot, stepping out of an unlit spot near the side of the restaurant, about to walk across in front of me to deliver a take out order to a customer. I had to immediately tap the brakes to wave her across. The truck knew she was there. I was wrong for disengaging. It's not always correct, but most of the time it sees things I just don't see. I'm learning to trust it more and more.
One human and one possum owe their life to FSD 14 on my truck. I saw neither one until after FSD had already reacted.
 

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FSD will be safer when the human controls are removed. People are too impatient. And they have developed bad driving habits over the years that they think are correct.
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