Tesla Superchargers removed from NJ Turnpike

[PungoteagueDave]

I was physically present on the njt the other day, and the (single admittedly) nacs plug that I tried was too short to get past the wheel flares on my CT. do what you like, but with out an adapter like this:

https://a2zevshop.com/products/ccs-thunderstorm-max

you run the risk of having to exit the turnpike to charge at a tesla supercharger off the turnpike. not a huge deal, but I wouldnt enter the turnpike with less than 10%? charge just to be safe.

vaya con dios my friend

Thanks. I just bought one as cheap insurance, will report back here next Saturday, 30th.

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[HaulingAss]

Standardization is coming, but we are in transition.

Transition? Yes, we have been in a charging transition since 2012 when Tesla invited all other EV manufacturers to join the superior DCFC system they engineered and the rest of the auto industry refused. Thy thought this would isolate little upstart Tesla from the rest of the auto industry. Instead, of bastardizing their sleek solution with an ugly, unwieldy and more expensive "franken-solution", Tesla went the way they knew was superior (the rest of the industry laughed at Tesla's confidence to use the sleeker solution).

So, we have had 13 years of "transition" so far, thanks to the rest of the auto industry pushing through a ridiculous solution. Europe is stuck with the inferior and illogical solution, probably for the next 50 years!

 

[PungoteagueDave]

Transition? Yes, we have been in a charging transition since 2012 when Tesla invited all other EV manufacturers to join the superior DCFC system they engineered and the rest of the auto industry refused. Thy thought this would isolate little upstart Tesla from the rest of the auto industry. Instead, of bastardizing their sleek solution with an ugly, unwieldy and more expensive "franken-solution", they went the way they knew was superior (the rest of the industry laughed at Tesla's confidence to use the superior solution).

So, we have had 13 years of "transition" so far, thanks to the rest of the auto industry pushing through a ridiculous solution. Europe is stuck with the inferior and illogical solution, probably for the next 50 years!

All true, but we are now where we needed to go in the U.S. Some things cannot be fixed - as I am reminded every time we go to South America, Africa, the EU, or Asia, with ziplock baggies of electric adapters for the many outlet formats.

It’s a bit like right hand vs left hand driving - only one country ever switched over (Sweden, in 1963). Pretty much everyone agrees that the world would be better with one standard - but the cost and hassle factor precludes action. Words like “superior” and “inferior” may apply, as we would agrees that NACS is clearly better, but they are not helpful in reaching a happy conclusion. The capitulation to NACS that started two years ago was surprising, but could only have occurred in the absence of arm twisting, chortling by Tesla fans, or further noise by the company itself.

Tesla created NACS as a proprietary format - it was only natural that competitors would prefer an industry standard that wasn’t associated with any one manufacturer - and few automotive executives would have understood the nuances that we all get. The fact that Elon offered it up as a general solution early on was likely a significant factor in the delay.

 

[Gundo]

I just called Applegreen and they call BS - their NACS plugs should work with CTs. However, they cannot charge any Tesla made before 2020. That’s apparently due to a more modern communications protocol. Just like generation 1&2 Superchargers cannot charge non-Tesla EVs. Standardization is coming, but we are in transition.

Well, you take your chances with that answer from Applegreen.

As posted yesterday, I was at the Molly Pitcher service station on Tuesday, August 19.

I tried their NACS plug, and it does NOT fit the Cybertruck. Won't clear the fender.

They are most definitely mistaken. Their design is some sort of cludgy solution with a NACS plug glued to a CCS plug.

 

[PungoteagueDave]

Well, you take your chances with that answer from Applegreen.

As posted yesterday, I was at the Molly Pitcher service station on Tuesday, August 19.

I tried their NACS plug, and it does NOT fit the Cybertruck. Won't clear the fender.

They are most definitely mistaken. Their design is some sort of cludgy solution with a NACS plug glued to a CCS plug.

As I mentioned above, I spent the $110 based on prior feedback and will have the adapter when next on the NJTP. I honestly see this as an unintended result from a Tesla design decision, likely caught after production had started. It would be nice if Tesla were to make an interim adjustment for new CT’s and to offer existing owners an adapter for use in these limited situations.

 

[EWELON]

As I mentioned above, I spent the $110 based on prior feedback and will have the adapter when next on the NJTP. I honestly see this as an unintended result from a Tesla design decision, likely caught after production had started. It would be nice if Tesla were to make an interim adjustment for new CT’s and to offer existing owners an adapter for use in these limited situations.

…just because you mentioned $110. the a2z adapter that is for ccs to nacs and for S3XY is $110 and WON’T work

https://a2zevshop.com/products/a2z-thunderstorm-plug-ccs1-ccs-combo

the elongated one for CT is $117. just making sure you got the right one:

https://a2zevshop.com/products/ccs-thunderstorm-max

gotta pay the extra $7 for that several cm of plastic and copper I guess.

 

[HaulingAss]

Tesla created NACS as a proprietary format - it was only natural that competitors would prefer an industry standard that wasn’t associated with any one manufacturer - and few automotive executives would have understood the nuances that we all get. The fact that Elon offered it up as a general solution early on was likely a significant factor in the delay.

This shows a lack of understanding of the dynamics in the industry at the time (2012). People still expected Tesla to fail. Legacy auto didn't WANT to make EVs.

Tesla didn't set out to make a proprietary standard, it was only proprietary because no one else adopted it. Don't spread false narratives. Elon has always said it was lame to rely on moats and walled gardens.

Of course, Tesla didn't have the capital to fund the buildout of the Supercharger Network for all automakers without everyone paying their fair share, that's why they proposed other automakers share in the cost of the charging network in proportion to how many EVs they sold (or how many were actually using the infrastructure). None of them accepted because that would have amounted to accelerating the transition to EVs. It also would have made it less likely that Tesla would go bankrupt and that's something that every other automaker hoped for because they didn't want new competition. The auto industry has a long history of trying to keep new companies from sharing in the pie. They only adapt when they have to, like during the oil crisis in the 1970's when Japan started importing more reliable, more efficient, better made, cheaper cars.

In this case, they only adapted when they saw Tesla was highly profitable and wasn't going to go bankrupt, and they had the best EV charging network available. Now that Tesla had built that, they wanted some of it for free! And Elon made it easy for them to say yes by not charging them a dime so we could have a unified DCFC standard.

Let's not twist the facts to re-write history based upon all the fake narratives people have used for many years to throw shade on Tesla.

 

[WormtownKris]

Well, you take your chances with that answer from Applegreen.

As posted yesterday, I was at the Molly Pitcher service station on Tuesday, August 19.

I tried their NACS plug, and it does NOT fit the Cybertruck. Won't clear the fender.

They are most definitely mistaken. Their design is some sort of cludgy solution with a NACS plug glued to a CCS plug.

Travelled the NY Thruway last week and I can also confirm the same thing at the rest stops in NY. Iroquois and Schuyler Applegreen EV chargers have the CCS>NACS frankenplug head that does not clear the CT fender flares. You would need to carve out a chunk of the flare to get this giant head over it. Had to top off at the Tesla SC in Utica instead.

 

[Gundo]

Travelled the NY Thruway last week and I can also confirm the same thing at the rest stops in NY. Iroquois and Schuyler Applegreen EV chargers have the CCS>NACS frankenplug head that does not clear the CT fender flares. You would need to carve out a chunk of the flare to get this giant head over it. Had to top off at the Tesla SC in Utica instead.

You know, this is very good timing. We travelled the same route over the weekend (From Newburgh to Buffalo) for the Bills game and I noticed the same thing - the frankenplug has been installed on the Applegreen charging stations.

So, if you plan on charging while on either the NYS Thruway or the NJ Turnpike, make sure to have the (gulp) $143 adapter or make a plan to exit the Thruway. At that price, maybe just get the NACS extender cable? https://a2zevshop.com/products/ccs-thunderstorm-max

 

[webspeedracer]

You know, this is very good timing. We travelled the same route over the weekend (From Newburgh to Buffalo) for the Bills game and I noticed the same thing - the frankenplug has been installed on the Applegreen charging stations.

So, if you plan on charging while on either the NYS Thruway or the NJ Turnpike, make sure to have the (gulp) $143 adapter or make a plan to exit the Thruway. At that price, maybe just get the NACS extender cable? https://a2zevshop.com/products/ccs-thunderstorm-max

Careful…the NACS to NACS Extender cord is AC-only, not approved for Supercharging because it doesn’t have cooling. Best to stick with the CT-specific CCS1-NACS adapter

 

[The Duke]

The fact that Elon offered it up as a general solution early on was likely a significant factor in the delay.

CCS was made to slow BEV adoption. The committee had all the Tesla info from patents and/or actual use. Special interests made it a mess. Port placement, credit card readers, two types of connectors, not mandating plug&charge standards, using screens outside the car's (or phone) make it a mess. CCS could have been better than Tesla by adding bi-directional. But Germany did not have competitive BEVs so the plan was to make charging a PITA. Not so much people would not use it, but more expensive and harder than it should be.

US is still a LONG ways from universally having the Tesla charging experience.

 

[PungoteagueDave]

CCS was made to slow BEV adoption. The committee had all the Tesla info from patents and/or actual use. Special interests made it a mess. Port placement, credit card readers, two types of connectors, not mandating plug&charge standards, using screens outside the car's (or phone) make it a mess. CCS could have been better than Tesla by adding bi-directional. But Germany did not have competitive BEVs so the plan was to make charging a PITA. Not so much people would not use it, but more expensive and harder than it should be.

US is still a LONG ways from universally having the Tesla charging experience.

Both NACS and CCS are bi-directional capable. I have had bidirectional systems in both formats. Tesla is the one that currently is inoperable while waiting for the supposedly incoming software update to the CT/Gateway 3.

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