Tesla and SpaceX Reputations Plummet in Major Poll

Status
Not open for further replies.

REM

Well-known member
Joined
Dec 9, 2023
Threads
13
Messages
3,268
Reaction score
5,904
Location
NC
Vehicles
2020 Model 3 Standard Range++ & Diet Cybertruck, Dual Motor
Occupation
Professional Retard
Country flag
Hey guys, check out this insanely biased poll from a tabloid!

Hope it doesn't spark a sudden political debate, of course *tee-hee*
Sponsored

 

PungoteagueDave

Well-known member
First Name
David
Joined
Mar 2, 2025
Threads
2
Messages
800
Reaction score
863
Location
Boynton Beach
Vehicles
‘25 Tesla Cybertruck, ‘26 Tesla MY Launch, ‘13 Porsche C4S, ‘26 BMW R1300 GSA
Occupation
retired
Country flag
Show me your best example.

I keep asking for receipts, and somehow everyone is always too busy to find them.
I just did - Musk’s statement that HW 3 will support FSD. And later - Tesla will upgrade all HW3 vehicles to HW4 after Tesla determined HW3 cannot be made to support any version of FSD. Except now it finds that it cannot make that upgrade. The upcoming liability for these claims is huge and it is real. And there is no question that courts around the world have found that Tesla has exaggerated feature claims, and Tesla has been forced to pay millions to plaintiffs. What more receipt do you need than a final court judgement or payment of a legal settlement?

Just a couple examples - there are others both overseas and in the U.S.:

A Norwegian court found Tesla liable for throttling battery charging and reducing range on Model S vehicles. A 2019 software update was found to be the cause, affecting models produced between 2013 and 2015. The court ordered Tesla to pay each of the 30 customers involved in the lawsuit $16,000.

I an unrelated lawsuit settlement, “Norwegian business newspaper Dagens Naeringsliv (DN) reported Tesla agreed to pay 65,000 Norwegian crowns ($7,700) to each car owner. The case involved Tesla's Model S P85D, which the car owners proved had a lower horsepower than stated by Tesla.” This settlement was paid to 30,000 tesla owners - for lying.
 
Last edited:

dalton108

Well-known member
First Name
Dalton
Joined
Oct 17, 2020
Threads
108
Messages
3,566
Reaction score
7,075
Location
USA
Vehicles
‘24 FS/CB; ‘24 MX; ‘23 MS PLAID (Prior: ‘20-MY; ‘21-M3P) (Also: ‘14-FJ; ‘21-C8)
Occupation
Lawyer
Country flag
Good, then buy that robot and be happy. ?

But you were trying to insinuate that Tesla's Optimus fits that description though.

I know it. you know it.

And now you're playing semantics games about it.
I didn’t insinuate shit. I said exactly what I meant. I referenced in precise and accurate language what happened. While DEFTLY avoiding the substance of it, I’ll add for good measure. Because the substance is not the point! But, since you insist, here it is!

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...he-company-said/amp_articleshow/121206789.cms

You’re misrepresenting the facts about what Grok did and what I said. This dishonesty is beneath you. The good news is that indelible facts are just that: INDELIBLE.

Beyond posting the above link I’m not going to spend more time correcting that record because … it doesn’t matter. You want to have a fight about that substance and I’m not going to indulge you because I didn’t come here for that and that’s not what this forum this for.

I don’t trust Elon/Tesla that’s what matters. I’ll never have an X account. I will never run finances through X. Grok will never speak to me in my vehicles or on any of my devices.

Elon believes that his AI needs to have a political viewpoint. It’s a non-fucking starter!

I’m gonna have access to all of the information and make the decisions myself. None of that territory is going to be ceded to Elon or anybody else. EVER!

AND MOST IMPORTANTLY— not one iota of it is going to come from my car, my robot maid, or my toaster.

Good luck!
 
Last edited:

tingmo13

Well-known member
First Name
tashi
Joined
Apr 10, 2024
Threads
0
Messages
486
Reaction score
931
Location
Colorado
Vehicles
tesla model Y
Occupation
teacher
Country flag
money talks, fellas! Wall St will follow the money-Tesla is a Generational Company right now! All the Noise & FUDs are irrelevant-only fools follow FUDs. Your Emotion is an Asset-don't let anybody hijack it-with due diligence look @ the Fundamentals. Right now Wall St is following people like me ;)
 

REM

Well-known member
Joined
Dec 9, 2023
Threads
13
Messages
3,268
Reaction score
5,904
Location
NC
Vehicles
2020 Model 3 Standard Range++ & Diet Cybertruck, Dual Motor
Occupation
Professional Retard
Country flag
I don’t trust Elon/Tesla that’s what matters. I’ll never have an X account. I will never run finances through X. Grok will never speak to me in my vehicles or on any of my devices.

Elon believes that his AI needs to have a political viewpoint. It’s a non-fucking starter!

I’m gonna have access to all of the information and make the decisions myself. None of that territory is going to be ceded to Elon or anybody else. EVER!

AND MOST IMPORTANTLY— not one iota of it is going to come from my car, my robot maid, or my toaster.

Good luck!
I'm going to go ahead and assume that you use, or have used, every other Ai LLM, and don't hold them to the same standard regarding political discourse. Ok, dude. You hate Elon and everything he touches.

Duly noted.
 


dalton108

Well-known member
First Name
Dalton
Joined
Oct 17, 2020
Threads
108
Messages
3,566
Reaction score
7,075
Location
USA
Vehicles
‘24 FS/CB; ‘24 MX; ‘23 MS PLAID (Prior: ‘20-MY; ‘21-M3P) (Also: ‘14-FJ; ‘21-C8)
Occupation
Lawyer
Country flag
I'm going to go ahead and assume that you use, or have used, every other Ai LLM, and don't hold them to the same standard regarding political discourse.
Spontaneously engaging in political discussion with me without being asked? No, never. You?

Ok, dude. You hate Elon and everything he touches.

Duly noted.
Literal garbage. I hold stock, I have owned every S3XY plus the most expensive CT he’s ever sold or is likely to ever sell. It’ll be in my garage when I die. I currently own three Teslas and have personally been responsible for the sale of about $1 million worth of Tesla’s to my friends and family.

I don’t have anything to prove to you or anybody else. I don’t give a flying fuck if you like my opinions. I’m not here to tell you what you want to hear.

You used to be better than this. Get a grip; you’re hysterical now.

I “hate” Elon and “everything he touches.”

Tesla Cybertruck Tesla and SpaceX Reputations Plummet in Major Poll IMG_5176


Tesla Cybertruck Tesla and SpaceX Reputations Plummet in Major Poll IMG_5177


That’s just looking around within 3 feet of my desk! ?

That’s $500 of ‘hatred’ for you right there.
 
Last edited:

REM

Well-known member
Joined
Dec 9, 2023
Threads
13
Messages
3,268
Reaction score
5,904
Location
NC
Vehicles
2020 Model 3 Standard Range++ & Diet Cybertruck, Dual Motor
Occupation
Professional Retard
Country flag
I just did - Musk’s statement that HW 3 will support FSD.
Musk *prediction* that HW3 would be able to support FSD. Minor correction, I know [/s]. But wanted to make that clear. Unless you have a link I can view where Elon made such a "promise"? Happy to review it.

And later - Tesla will upgrade all HW3 vehicles to HW4 after Tesla determined HW3 cannot be made to support any version of FSD. Except now it finds that it cannot make that upgrade.
Where did you get this information, and why didn't you link it for us all to examine?

And there is no question that courts around the world have found that Tesla has exaggerated feature claims, and Tesla has been forced to pay millions to plaintiffs. What more receipt do you need than a final court judgement or payment of a legal settlement?
I wonder if that's from the same spirit of how that one judge literally stole Elon's compensation package, because: (and I quote directly) it was an "unfathomable sum (of money)". ?

So that's the level of "justice" we are looking forward to. But I digress, let's move on to other examples.

Just a couple examples - there are others both overseas and in the U.S.:

A Norwegian court found Tesla liable for throttling battery charging and reducing range on Model S vehicles. A 2019 software update was found to be the cause, affecting models produced between 2013 and 2015. The court ordered Tesla to pay each of the 30 customers involved in the lawsuit $16,000.
TL;DR on this case: Telsa, like every other serious battery and BMS manufacturer, keeps a modest capacity and charge curve for aging packs. This is absolutely and unequivocally backed up as best and standard practice backed up by every honest player in the game. I dare say you can't find a single manufacturer or research lab that would counter argue this. Norwegians saw a lawfare opportunity and took it.

Every single Tesla will dial back the charge curve over the lifespan of the battery pack. That is a fact.

I an unrelated lawsuit settlement, “Norwegian business newspaper Dagens Naeringsliv (DN) reported Tesla agreed to pay 65,000 Norwegian crowns ($7,700) to each car owner. The case involved Tesla's Model S P85D, which the car owners proved had a lower horsepower than stated by Tesla.” This settlement was paid to 30,000 tesla owners - for lying.
Ah, these Norwegians. They have the tendency to play very dirty in business dealings (see IF Metall and their mafia shenanigans lately)

This entire case hinged on the fact that Tesla gave the combined spec output for the motors rather than the maximum output for that specific pack/BMS as configured. Worthy of better clarification and correction on Tesla's part for sure, because most people are functionally ignorant of complex electrical systems.

It's like if someone successfully sued Ford because they didn't tell you that, in order to get 600 HP out of that new mustang, you have to be running at 8,000 RPM, on a flat track, on a partly cloudy 72° day, with 93 octane in the tank, no passenger, no cargo, perfect headwind, and a prayer.

These are both predatory ambulance-chaser cases that are the extreme exception, and shoddy ones at that. Have anything else of substance? I don't see these as being a smoking gun.
 

REM

Well-known member
Joined
Dec 9, 2023
Threads
13
Messages
3,268
Reaction score
5,904
Location
NC
Vehicles
2020 Model 3 Standard Range++ & Diet Cybertruck, Dual Motor
Occupation
Professional Retard
Country flag
Spontaneously engaging in political discussion with me without being asked? No, never. You?
Let's clarify this real quick:

Are you saying that you have never had an Ai LLM give you a politically biased response to your requests for information? Grok is the only one to ever do something like that?
 

REM

Well-known member
Joined
Dec 9, 2023
Threads
13
Messages
3,268
Reaction score
5,904
Location
NC
Vehicles
2020 Model 3 Standard Range++ & Diet Cybertruck, Dual Motor
Occupation
Professional Retard
Country flag
You used to be better than this. Get a grip; you’re hysterical now.

That’s just looking around within 3 feet of my desk! ?

That’s $500 of ‘hatred’ for you right there.
I am immune to being called an irrational Elon hater because I bought $500 toys to display in my office.

Listen to yourself right now.
 

HaulingAss

Well-known member
Joined
Oct 3, 2020
Threads
27
Messages
9,796
Reaction score
19,893
Location
Western Washington, USA
Vehicles
Cybertruck DM, 2010 F-150, 2018 Performance Model 3, 2024 Performance Model 3
Country flag
And there is no question that courts around the world have found that Tesla has exaggerated feature claims, and Tesla has been forced to pay millions to plaintiffs. What more receipt do you need than a final court judgement or payment of a legal settlement?
Is it your belief that there are automakers who have not been forced to pay millions to plaintiffs?

Or do you simply believe that all automakers lie? Which is it?

To Elon's credit, he is the one who, on the most recent investors conference call, corrected the executive who was saying he thought Hardware 3 would prove sufficient for FSD unsupervised. Elon butted in and corrected him, saying he now believed Tesla would have to upgrade Hardware 3 cars with more powerful hardware, on Tesla's dime.

Being initially wrong is not a lie, it's being wrong. Fortunately, Elon is always ready to admit it when he was proven to be wrong. What is it that a few detractors don't understand about that? Elon has never been one to play it safe, he pushes boundaries. That's why we have reusable rockets, FSD, and high performance electric cars. And humanoid robots are coming too. Unless Elon was wrong. If they don't come, the naysayers will claim he lied again (because they don't know the difference between lying and being wrong). That makes me think they lie a lot!
 
  • Like
Reactions: REM


PungoteagueDave

Well-known member
First Name
David
Joined
Mar 2, 2025
Threads
2
Messages
800
Reaction score
863
Location
Boynton Beach
Vehicles
‘25 Tesla Cybertruck, ‘26 Tesla MY Launch, ‘13 Porsche C4S, ‘26 BMW R1300 GSA
Occupation
retired
Country flag
Musk *prediction* that HW3 would be able to support FSD. Minor correction, I know [/s]. But wanted to make that clear. Unless you have a link I can view where Elon made such a "promise"? Happy to review it.



Where did you get this information, and why didn't you link it for us all to examine?



I wonder if that's from the same spirit of how that one judge literally stole Elon's compensation package, because: (and I quote directly) it was an "unfathomable sum (of money)". ?

So that's the level of "justice" we are looking forward to. But I digress, let's move on to other examples.



TL;DR on this case: Telsa, like every other serious battery and BMS manufacturer, keeps a modest capacity and charge curve for aging packs. This is absolutely and unequivocally backed up as best and standard practice backed up by every honest player in the game. I dare say you can't find a single manufacturer or research lab that would counter argue this. Norwegians saw a lawfare opportunity and took it.

Every single Tesla will dial back the charge curve over the lifespan of the battery pack. That is a fact.



Ah, these Norwegians. They have the tendency to play very dirty in business dealings (see IF Metall and their mafia shenanigans lately)

This entire case hinged on the fact that Tesla gave the combined spec output for the motors rather than the maximum output for that specific pack/BMS as configured. Worthy of better clarification and correction on Tesla's part for sure, because most people are functionally ignorant of complex electrical systems.

It's like if someone successfully sued Ford because they didn't tell you that, in order to get 600 HP out of that new mustang, you have to be running at 8,000 RPM, on a flat track, on a partly cloudy 72° day, with 93 octane in the tank, no passenger, no cargo, perfect headwind, and a prayer.

These are both predatory ambulance-chaser cases that are the extreme exception, and shoddy ones at that. Have anything else of substance? I don't see these as being a smoking gun.
So you demand examples, saying there are none, and I give you a bunch, and all you can do is say why the decisions were wrong or why the lies weren’t really lies. Okay. You are truly a Tesla apologist of the first order. I suspected you were baiting and your response proves it. You clearly didn’t listen to the conference call last week where Elon admitted they couldn’t do the HW4 upgrade. Or the prior one where he said that every car being delivered was FSD capable. Or the subsequent one to that where he admitted they would have to upgrade all HW3 cars to HW4 for owners with FSD. In so many words. No, I’m not doing any more of your work for you. Get the transcript.
 

dalton108

Well-known member
First Name
Dalton
Joined
Oct 17, 2020
Threads
108
Messages
3,566
Reaction score
7,075
Location
USA
Vehicles
‘24 FS/CB; ‘24 MX; ‘23 MS PLAID (Prior: ‘20-MY; ‘21-M3P) (Also: ‘14-FJ; ‘21-C8)
Occupation
Lawyer
Country flag
I am immune to being called an irrational Elon hater because I bought $500 toys to display in my office.

Listen to yourself right now.
As I said. That was within 3 feet of where I was sitting when you said this idiotic shit.

When will the irrational hatred ever end? My God this EDS really does have the best of me. ?

Stop beclowning yourself buddy. Ad hominem circular logic all of the fucking dumb shit that you’re doing right now because you cannot handle that somebody else isn’t going to join you in hero worship?

You’re emotional and irrational and you’ve yet to make a point that isn’t just distorting what I’ve said. If investment of time money energy and anything else that matters in this company decides whether somebody is a actual supporter … you’re a zero to my 10. That’s just on how much I’ve spent on their cars.

If being a loyal pet who does not have the ability to disagree or question is what you consider winning? You the real MVP ?!

I think we’ve done all we’re going to be able to do together. This is where we part. ?

Tesla Cybertruck Tesla and SpaceX Reputations Plummet in Major Poll FullSizeRender


Tesla Cybertruck Tesla and SpaceX Reputations Plummet in Major Poll IMG_0046
 
Last edited:

PungoteagueDave

Well-known member
First Name
David
Joined
Mar 2, 2025
Threads
2
Messages
800
Reaction score
863
Location
Boynton Beach
Vehicles
‘25 Tesla Cybertruck, ‘26 Tesla MY Launch, ‘13 Porsche C4S, ‘26 BMW R1300 GSA
Occupation
retired
Country flag
Let’s just see if the actual Robotaxi rolls in June. I guess you enablers never heard Elon say, nearly ten years ago, that a driverless Tesla would drive across the US by the end of 2017? There are so many… and spare us the claim that being wrong isn’t lying.
 

BrockN

Well-known member
First Name
Brock
Joined
Jan 1, 2025
Threads
6
Messages
354
Reaction score
521
Location
Kamloops BC Canada
Vehicles
'24 FS Cybertruck, '23 MY, '15 MS
Occupation
Engineer
Country flag
TL;DR on this case: Telsa, like every other serious battery and BMS manufacturer, keeps a modest capacity and charge curve for aging packs. This is absolutely and unequivocally backed up as best and standard practice backed up by every honest player in the game. I dare say you can't find a single manufacturer or research lab that would counter argue this. Norwegians saw a lawfare opportunity and took it.

Every single Tesla will dial back the charge curve over the lifespan of the battery pack. That is a fact.
A fact in your "alternate facts" world. Clearly you have no idea what you're talking about. Try that bullshit on someone who hasn't had more than a decade of experience with multiple EVs. ?‍♂

I had a '15 S and the 85 pack absolutely did suffer a significant step change in supercharging speed following an update. Tesla then stonewalled and denied anything had happened. I chased an explanation for a couple of years. One service guy who was friendly with me and very good with computers was clearly disturbed by the ethics of what Tesla was doing, dug very deep into the computer system and found "engineering notes". He carefully told me that my car had been specifically targeted for the change so what I had experienced was done purposely. He was fired shortly thereafter. Coincidence? Maybe. He's much happier working elsewhere now.

That changed the utility of the vehicle for me. It wasn't so much that they did it to extend my pack past the warranty period...it was the fact that they did everything they could to hide it. As an early adopter and active advocate, that was a betrayal.

I would have happily signed up for a class action suit had one been started in my jurisdiction.
Sponsored

 
Status
Not open for further replies.
 








Top