Silverado EV tows over 230 miles!

[kev12345]

 

[NoTime]

That what a big-ass battery gives you, regardless of the efficiency of the tow vehicle. I think GM gets it.

 

[LoneWolfO6]

Yep, but they were way under the speed limit. Faster you go= 300, 282, 268, 239, 202, “oh oh, hope I can get to a charger, oh $hi# I have to disconnect the trailer prior to charging?!”

 

[Diehard]

The charging speed was nice. More than twice the speed of my truck.

 

[NoTime]

Yep, but they were way under the speed limit. Faster you go= 300, 282, 268, 239, 202, “oh oh, hope I can get to a charger, oh $hi# I have to disconnect the trailer prior to charging?!”

That's the case whatever you're driving

 

[cvalue13]

Yep, but they were way under the speed limit. Faster you go= 300, 282, 268, 239, 202

And so are ERA test conditions ??‍

reality is, 60 is max what anyone should be towing heavy at, if only for safety

meanwhile, anyone interested in a BEV for towing with minimal range constraint should be doing it for all three of safety, pragmatism, and any desire to have their range reflect EPA numbers

I think the video shows the correct BEV towing test conditions (and come to the right conclusion), anything else YMMV

 

[cvalue13]

BTW, FWIW, the F150 3:5L EcoBoost is notorious for having the largest range hit due to towing.

and they know it (I’ve seen them do the compare)

which I suppose is nice to see them sensationalizing a story in *favor* of BEV towing for once

 

[GlockandRoll]

BTW, FWIW, the F150 3:5L EcoBoost is notorious for having the largest range hit due to towing.

and they know it (I’ve seen them do the compare)

which I suppose is nice to see them sensationalizing a story in *favor* of BEV towing for once

Yeah, the V8 is much more fuel-efficient towing.
With the EcoBoost, it's either eco or boost, not both.

 

[Kingdom1st]

Pack size of the GM must be around 225kwh.
1.1 miles/kwh efficiency=250 mile towing range if driven to 0.
Truck said it had 475 when fully charged before towing which with a 225kwh pack would give it 2.11 miles/kwh efficiency rate while Not towing. Not too bad.

Cybertruck will have better efficiency.
If we “assume” cybertruck achieves efficiency of 2.5 miles/kWh, it would only need a 190kwh pack to go the same 475 mile range. Batteries are right around $100/kwh at the pack level not cell level.
GM- 225kwh x $100=$22,500 battery pack
Cybertruck- 190kwh x $100=$19,000 pack price

assuming GM pays more per kWh for batteries than Tesla producing vertically in house, this best case apples to apples comparison means Tesla will produce cybertruck for a minimum $3500 cheaper at the pack level. Not even considering building the rest of the truck, no paint, giga casting, etc

Nerding out for my own enjoyment

 

[GlockandRoll]

Pack size of the GM must be around 225kwh.
1.1 miles/kwh efficiency=250 mile towing range if driven to 0.
Truck said it had 475 when fully charged before towing which with a 225kwh pack would give it 2.11 miles/kwh efficiency rate while Not towing. Not too bad.

Cybertruck will have better efficiency.
If we “assume” cybertruck achieves efficiency of 2.5 miles/kWh, it would only need a 190kwh pack to go the same 475 mile range. Batteries are right around $100/kwh at the pack level not cell level.
GM- 225kwh x $100=$22,500 battery pack
Cybertruck- 190kwh x $100=$19,000 pack price

assuming GM pays more per kWh for batteries than Tesla producing vertically in house, this best case apples to apples comparison means Tesla will produce cybertruck for a minimum $3500 cheaper at the pack level. Not even considering building the rest of the truck, no paint, giga casting, etc

Nerding out for my own enjoyment

Checks out.

 

[Bill837]

I'm hoping Munro tears one of these down. Will be very interesting to compare and contrast he two packs.

 

[Knucklehead]

 

[PilotPete]

And at $6/gallon vs. .26/kWh, that's $141.60 for the trip in the F150 and $53.27 for the Silverado.

So if you do the math (and again, I'm using California style energy pricing) The EV costs you $0.38/mile LESS than th F150. This means that the $11,120 price difference would be a "break even" at 29,208 miles! And if you had solar and didn't pay for the juice, the cost difference is made up in 18,219 miles. After that, the EV is cheaper to operate. And we haven't even started on oil changes, brakes, etc. This is just "fuel" in whatever form.

 

[Knucklehead]

And at $6/gallon vs. .26/kWh, that's $141.60 for the trip in the F150 and $53.27 for the Silverado.

So if you do the math (and again, I'm using California style energy pricing) The EV costs you $0.38/mile LESS than th F150. This means that the $11,120 price difference would be a "break even" at 29,208 miles! And if you had solar and didn't pay for the juice, the cost difference is made up in 18,219 miles. After that, the EV is cheaper to operate. And we haven't even started on oil changes, brakes, etc. This is just "fuel" in whatever form.

In the video, they stated that if they "refueled" the Silverado using a EA DCFC, the cost would have been almost the same as what they spent to refuel the F150. But they only put enough charge into the Silverado to make it home, where the cost per kW is much lower than what EA charges. And then, to your point, it is significantly cheaper to tow with the Silverado.

 

[PilotPete]

In the video, they stated that if they "refueled" the Silverado using a EA DCFC, the cost would have been almost the same as what they spent to refuel the F150.

The price I went with is my average home rate in the summer. I wouldn't think EA was much more than twice this amount, or $0.52/kwh. I'm not willing to d/l their app to look. In my area, Tesla is generally around $0.46/kwh. If that were true, just double the ROI number and you're set. Again, any time spent charging at home just brings the crossover point closer. And either way, it AIN'T some 100,000 miles to make it happen. It's quick.