Optimus Bot Future

[CyberGus]

I think we're OK until the robots are in charge

 

[Ogre]

I often think about how life and death would be programmed into a car.

A lady and a stroller darts into the street at the last second. The car can either hit them or the geriatric guy on the sidewalk., or run into the concrete jersey barrier. Assuming no other physical choice. What to do.

The solution is when you are that close to pedestrians and impossible stops you shouldn’t be going that fast.

FSD is extremely cautious and gives pedestrians and cyclists a very wide berth and doesn’t crowd them the way human cars do. That avoids most forced decisions like you describe. It’s solution is to not hit anything.

Based on what I’ve seen from FSD test driving, I don’t think there is any need to code around the trolly problem. The goal is zero collisions.

 

[rr6013]

I believe not only will Optimus Bot be pushing parts in the factory as stated in the January 26 quarterly audio. But its real future may be for space travel too.

Seems our SciFi movies have shown there seems to be a Robot or synthetic type of Artificial intelligence also along for space exploration.

Nailed it! There won’t be any humans going to Mars. Optimus takes care of the unacceptable risks. Next Generation maybe after regen Mars atmosphere human Mars colonization, if that’s even an acceptable characterization.

Bots are going to be there first. Humans come later after they have colonized it.

 

[Faffle]

Tesla is in my eyes one of the bright spots in a time of uncertainty and suckage. Hopefully you live to see the bots born into the world.

PS: Are your niece and nephew named Falafel and Waffle? Great people.

Awesome name or alias. Makes me hungry.

I just want two androids that i can name Hector and Vector

 

[rr6013]

a high-end like 15-25k$ drone can carry like 20 lbs

@Ogre can use a 16” bar on a lightweight small cc Echo saw and easily have the Saw-drone follow him into the backcountry. Echo are powerful for no more than they weigh. I cut timber stands one summer until my arm felloff carrying a saw. Echo made tgat possible where a Stihl, I ‘d been tuckered out before noon time - done for the day.

 

[Ogre]

@Ogre can use a 16” bar on a lightweight small cc Echo saw and easily have the Saw-drone follow him into the backcountry. Echo are powerful for no more than they weigh. I cut timber stands one summer until my arm felloff carrying a saw. Echo made tgat possible where a Stihl, I ‘d been tuckered out before noon time - done for the day.

If I just need the 16” bar I got that covered

The most recent project I did involved 2 50 foot sections of 24” plus logs which I needed to bread down into manageable bits and one 36-40” log on a 60 degree side slope. The 16” bar ain’t cutting it.

 

[Crissa]

I often think about how life and death would be programmed into a car.

A lady and a stroller darts into the street at the last second. The car can either hit them or the geriatric guy on the sidewalk., or run into the concrete jersey barrier. Assuming no other physical choice. What to do.

Interesting subject. If CTOC is around, you should consider adding it to the forum.

This is a simple answer. First is that vulnerable road users are to be avoided at all costs. Second is that it would never be identifying people. Lastly, the vehicle should never be moving so fast that it can't stop. It's not a motorcycle or person-sized EVs.

Yes, it's better to hit another car or barrier than a vulnerable road user, but you're responsible for the damage in those cases. So the robot will just try to stop.

-Crissa

 

[CyberGus]

If I just need the 16” bar I got that covered

The most recent project I did involved 2 50 foot sections of 24” plus logs which I needed to bread down into manageable bits and one 36-40” log on a 60 degree side slope. The 16” bar ain’t cutting it.

But...where's the tripod

 

[rudedawg78]

My theory is that the Tesla Bot will be produced before the CT. That way, if we want, we can add the Tesla Bot as an option for our CT and then the Tesla Bot will the CT to you! CT will be programmed on how to hook up the Tesla charger during the pit stops.

I just hope that if that does happen then I won't see a bunch of empty mtn dew cans and cheetos bags on the floor of my new CT.

 

[Richard V.]

I often think about how life and death would be programmed into a car.

A lady and a stroller darts into the street at the last second. The car can either hit them or the geriatric guy on the sidewalk., or run into the concrete jersey barrier. Assuming no other physical choice. What to do.


Interesting subject. If CTOC is around, you should consider adding it to the forum.

I also have been thinking about what these sort of decisions for FSD systems or any other autonomous systems (e.g., The Optimus Bot) would have to do in emergency situations. Besides trying to avoid a collision, deciding on which choice is less damaging and to whom it may harm would be difficult, but needed. I have not yet seen any evidence that in the milliseconds before a serious collision is imminent/high risk, the AI system would be entering into a final social analysis about the options and the consequences of it to the occupant's vehicle and/or to "society" (human and goods) outside the vehicle. Could the user of the FSD system have a choice (moral mode)? Would the moral mode (behaviors/values) be a social/legal moral code and rule? (For example, FSD in North America Vs. FSD elsewhere could differ based on culture and believes).

"What to do" Perhaps this is an initial Philosophical answer or list of considerations.
When I joined the CT club in Oct 2021, the very first thread I posted was about this very subject.
See here for more: We should trust Artificial Intelligent (AI) (e.g., FSD) to make moral decisions under certain preconditions. | Tesla Cybertruck Forum & Owners Club - News & Discussions - Cybertruckownersclub.com

 

[jerhenderson]

I believe not only will Optimus Bot be pushing parts in the factory as stated in the January 26 quarterly audio. But its real future may be for space travel too.

Seems our SciFi movies have shown there seems to be a Robot or synthetic type of Artificial intelligence also along for space exploration.

will the first unit be Optimus Prime ?

 

[Crissa]

But...where's the tripod

Holding the camera while I'm holding the chainsaw?

-Crissa

 

[JBee]

UBI doesn’t get rid of the real inequality issue, namely fiat currency. That will just create more funnelling to the top and less control "by the people" at the bottom (if thats at all possible?). There are other ways to do resource allocation, but they all require a restructure of our current value systems.

First thing we need to do is adopt a sustainable cyclic ecology and economy that is actually capable of producing in excess of our needs, with anything that is unused becoming resources for the next generation of resources. That will make cradle to grave economics and their repective markets, and personal ownership irrelevant and with it UBI, as there will be too many resources that people can't consume all of it in the first place.

For those stuck in fiat thinking: Imagine we ALL can lead the lifestyle of multi millionaires. You'd be surprised how little we can get away with if we time share expensive things and streamline consumables. Currency, markets, political doctrines like socialism, and "corps-o- rate" government will become redundant as they will serve no function whatsoever and not add a net postive value to society.

I think this is also what EM meant when he says "I don't even know what economy means with unlimited labour".

As for Optimum I believe the humanoid formfactor is simply because it would seem easier to replicate human tasks with a humanoids form, and allow for task diversity, rather than manufacture dedicated machines for each task (aka the dishwasher argument). It also allows for better time of use, Optimum could do your bidding during the day, drive himself to do shift work in the giga factory at night. Much better resource allocation, just like the intent of FSD, to reduce the cost of transport so much that Tesla will stop selling cars at all, because no-one stuck in a fiat currency market would opt to buy one anyway because it would just be inconvenient and a waste of "their precious" coin.

If you get rid of planned or unplanned obsolescence (isn't CT a multi generational truck with SS body and million mile battery?) and then time share to the max, and recycle/renew resources won't you at some point reach infinite resources, limited only by the environment? Add a bit of population management (have more babies later) and multi-planetary development and I think you'll have a better idea what EMs plans actually are.

 

[Crissa]

Fiat currency creates inequality? How? The people with 'stuff' which is priced in currency, ala the rich, are not benefited more by having a fiat currency than those without.

That's crazy guy on the corner shouting level of nonsense.

-Crissa

 

[JBee]

Fat currency creates inequality? How? The people with 'stuff' which is priced in currency, ala the rich, are not benefited more by having a fiat currency than those without.

That's crazy guy on the corner shouting level of nonsense.

-Crissa

Thats completely true that people shouting "fat" currency creates inequality is plain crazy, and completely biased against skinny people everywhere!

I'm talking about the effect of having "unlimited resources" that can be allocated if we have an Optimus based "unlimited labor" economy. What purpose would currency serve if there was so much excess resource that could provide beyond what everyone could consume?? (with some reasonable efficiency measures thrown in of course)

The clue was " we would all have millionaires lifestyles". So what should we be in shortage of that would require currency to convert resources? At some point having too much money (capital allocation) becomes pointless because we are unable to "spend " it in our lifetimes.

To use current thinking principles an anology: I'm talking about making everyone so resource rich that no one would need to trade in the first place, because they have everything the need or want.

Imagine the implications of having a Star Trek type replicator in your kitchen.

Unlimited resource conversion, no currency at all required.