FSD 14 release next month will start nagging much less - says Musk

[HaulingAss]

You literally don’t have the frame of reference to compare to. It is so much more pleasant to sit in a Toyota with advanced drive, and look around at the scenery while driving WITHOUT as many nags.

How can the Toyota have less nags than zero? You are not paying attention to this discussion because those of us who use FSD safely, as intended, don't get any nags. You should try it sometime.

As soon as it's unassisted, there will be no nags, even if you stop paying attention. We are getting very close to that point. And Toyota will still be an ADAS with nags, requiring the driver to pay attention.

 

[EctoSlymer]

How can the Toyota have less nags than zero? You are not paying attention to this discussion because those of us who use FSD safely, as intended, don't get any nags. You should try it sometime.

As soon as it's unassisted, there will be no nags, even if you stop paying attention. We are getting very close to that point. And Toyota will still be an ADAS with nags, requiring the driver to pay attention.

That will be nice when it is.

 

[Cactusrick]

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[TyPope]

Being the most current FSD thread... I noticed yesterday as I approached heavy traffic, a pop-up on my screen with the steering wheel and right scroll wheel. It said "To activate FSD, press the scroll wheel". I don't recall it doing that before.

 

[ABILISK]

Being the most current FSD thread... I noticed yesterday as I approached heavy traffic, a pop-up on my screen with the steering wheel and right scroll wheel. It said "To activate FSD, press the scroll wheel". I don't recall it doing that before.

It did that to me too as I approached a wall of cars. I thought it was weird since I’ve definitely used FSD a bunch. I guess it’s just offering to do the boring stop-and-go stuff for us.

 

[TyPope]

It did that to me too as I approached a wall of cars. I thought it was weird since I’ve definitely used FSD a bunch. I guess it’s just offering to do the boring stop-and-go stuff for us.

I mean, that's actually not bad. I like to drive but it can do the stop and go traffic crap. The problem came right after I enabled it (I was less than half mile to a left-hand turn that has two turn lanes), it wanted to pull into the lane on the right of me... In traffic, that doesn't always make sense even if that lane is a touch faster. It's hard to get over to the left there.

 

[ABILISK]

I mean, that's actually not bad. I like to drive but it can do the stop and go traffic crap. The problem came right after I enabled it (I was less than half mile to a left-hand turn that has two turn lanes), it wanted to pull into the lane on the right of me... In traffic, that doesn't always make sense even if that lane is a touch faster. It's hard to get over to the left there.

Yeah, I don’t like that part of it. Even if traffic is flowing, it waits until half a mile before the exit to consider moving over. It always makes it, but there’s a bit of a pucker factor to it sometimes. Your situation is where base autopilot would be nice.

 

[jimbobb23]

I am hoping the longer context window allows sunshine to be tolerated. I am supposed to

You must have never driven a Toyota with full self driving tech. Not many vehicles have it. To say it doesn’t even come close to Tesla, is laughable. And I love my CT. But claiming Toyota AdvancedDrive does not come close to FSD is just a lie. It does not incessantly nag, and it works just as well as FSD. In fact, independent highway safety reviewers have determined that it works maybe even slightly better, iirc.

This is amazing news. I can't wait to see all the youtube channels of people driving it all over town and letting the car do all the driving. Oh wait...it's just lane assist and freeway? I can't find any videos of it. So...what are you talking about? Please clarify.

 

[jimbobb23]

ChatGPT:

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Short answer: yes.





Two independent test programs have found Toyota/Lexus’s system scores higher than Tesla’s on safety‑related highway assist metrics:

• IIHS “Partial Automation Safeguard Ratings” (Mar 2024): The only system to earn an overall Acceptable was Lexus Teammate with Advanced Drive (on the Lexus LS). Tesla’s system (tested on a Model 3) earned an overall Poor for safeguards like driver‑monitoring, attention reminders, and emergency fallback.
• Euro NCAP “Assisted Driving Gradings” (Jun 2025): Toyota bZ4X received a Very Good assisted‑driving grade, while the Tesla Model S (Autopilot) was graded Moderate due to weak balance of driver engagement vs assistance (despite strong safety backup).

Consumer Reports’ most recent full ranking (2023) also put Tesla mid‑pack and highlighted shortcomings in communication/driver monitoring compared with top systems, with Toyota/Lexus not at the top but generally ahead of Tesla in clarity and collaboration with the driver.





Bottom line: in safety‑oriented evaluations of highway assist/partial automation, Toyota/Lexus’s Teammate/Advanced Drive has tested better than Tesla’s Autopilot/FSD on safeguards and driver‑engagement.”

It’s ok not to be a fanboi. I promise.

Thats not about the driving. Thats about the nag. Literally read what you posted. There ratings were all based on how well it nagged you.

It's also ok to be able to tell the difference between technologies and what they are actually scored on and represent.

 

[EctoSlymer]

I am hoping the longer context window allows sunshine to be tolerated. I am supposed to

This is amazing news. I can't wait to see all the youtube channels of people driving it all over town and letting the car do all the driving. Oh wait...it's just lane assist and freeway? I can't find any videos of it. So...what are you talking about? Please clarify.

I mean, I’m over trying to convince people who have not used it. But yes, for highway driving, it’s more pleasant than FSD because it is less naggy. It changes lanes and navigates interchanges etc. It employs lidar in addition to cameras and works very well with less beeping and more ability to enjoy the scenery while driving. I’m happy Tesla plans to make their system far less naggy with the new update because that will likely remove the point in Toyota’s favor regarding highway driving in particular.

 

[SCTesla]

I mean, I’m over trying to convince people who have not used it. But yes, for highway driving, it’s more pleasant than FSD because it is less naggy. It changes lanes and navigates interchanges etc. It employs lidar in addition to cameras and works very well with less beeping and more ability to enjoy the scenery while driving. I’m happy Tesla plans to make their system far less naggy with the new update because that will likely remove the point in Toyota’s favor regarding highway driving in particular.

You understand that EAP does this as well. It's called Navigate on Autopilot. It's many levels below FSD.

The joke about YT videos is that no one is getting money showing off highway lane assist, because it's not special. Ford, Tesla, Chevy, Mercedes, BMW, and Hyundai all have a version...none of those, outside of Tesla, have a version of FSD available for consumers.

Keeping fishing, though.

 

[EctoSlymer]

You understand that EAP does this as well. It's called Navigate on Autopilot. It's many levels below FSD.

The joke about YT videos is that no one is getting money showing off highway lane assist, because it's not special. Ford, Tesla, Chevy, Mercedes, BMW, and Hyundai all have a version...none of those, outside of Tesla, have a version of FSD available for consumers.

Keeping fishing, though.

It would be nice (and less naggy) if CT’s had EAP.

 

[nubbin77]

When I use FSD, I get zero nags... so how is it less naggy?

 

[REM]

When I use FSD, I get zero nags... so how is it less naggy?

people who actually pay undivided attention to the roadway simply don't get the nags under the vast majority of circumstances.

folks who complain about it think they can game the system and play on their phone.

 

[D101010]

Both summon and smart summon are sold as part of the CT FSD. It doesn’t say beta or coming soon. This already seems like false advertising. Let’s hope Tesla delivers soon.

Heck we don't even have dump summon no forward or back movement like the other Tesla's had before summon was a thing. I could have used that once or twice.