AWD Model vs Cyberbeast

[HaulingAss]

Option 2: AWD + Wrap + Wheels is 4K-5K cheaper than a Beast with more opportunity to be unique after Cybertrucks are more common on the road

Why would you want to stand out on the road? I'm looking forward to the production continuing to ramp so I can blend in more!

Is there some advantage I'm missing to looking different on the road from all the rest?

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[RandyS]

Took delivery of my Beast a few days ago. Great truck, awesome to drive, quiet, powerful, steer by wire is great, etc. When I put it in "Beast model" on the Dynamics screen, and puch the a-pedal, the acceleration is such an awesome feeling!!! I haven't really driven the truck in a place where I can accerlate for a longer period of time. But from what I'm tested, it is very very nice!

I have other Tesla cars and the truck drives and feels better than the cars (ride quality, noise/quiet factor, etc.). The Beast is just amazing....Great stereo as well...

 

[Macgyverfever]

Yes, a few months back. Not bad, but felt slower than my Raptor and TRX, and somewhere between a Model Y Long Range and Performance.

You should really drive the Beast. It's absolutely insane... When stomping on it from a stop or 30mph roll, the front lifts up like a monster and the tires are barely clinching to the ground with their life. It's an experience.

The AWD felt like a mode between Chill and Sport in the Beast. I'd say it's fine for what it is and no slouch, but it's a completely difference experience.

Yea I'll probably switch to beast when I'm ready to sell a kidney. For now, I'm extremely happy, thankful, and blessed to have what I have

 

[Macgyverfever]

Took delivery of my Beast a few days ago. Great truck, awesome to drive, quiet, powerful, steer by wire is great, etc. When I put it in "Beast model" on the Dynamics screen, and puch the a-pedal, the acceleration is such an awesome feeling!!! I haven't really driven the truck in a place where I can accerlate for a longer period of time. But from what I'm tested, it is very very nice!

I have other Tesla cars and the truck drives and feels better than the cars (ride quality, noise/quiet factor, etc.). The Beast is just amazing....Great stereo as well...

Hell maybe Tesla upgraded me to beast and didn't know it, because other than the b word, that's what I would say about mine too!

Fyi my god that attention - I just went to Kroger today and drew a crowd of 5 not to mention the kid at best buy parking lot that said 'ssssick!', the begger saying 'hey what is that - a cybertruck? that's awesome!', the countless phones recording, the mustang that stopped traffic to snap photos, the two neighbors that came over to check it out I mean jesus christ!

 

[HaulingAss]

Hell maybe Tesla upgraded me to beast and didn't know it, because other than the b word, that's what I would say about mine too!

Fyi my god that attention - I just went to Kroger today and drew a crowd of 5 not to mention the kid at best buy parking lot that said 'ssssick!', the begger saying 'hey what is that - a cybertruck? that's awesome!', the countless phones recording, the mustang that stopped traffic to snap photos, the two neighbors that came over to check it out I mean jesus christ!

I know! I park it front of the restaurants we eat at and watch cars stop in the middle of the street, blocking traffic as they gawk at it! I suppose it's good entertainment since I'm in the restaurant, looking out. Others around me, who don't know it's mine, appear entertained too!

 

[Shimitzu]

I just received my configuration notice. I am going cyberbeast. Any thoughts on all terrain vs all season? I live in NY so I do deal with snow in the winter. Off roading will be a rare occurrence but would be nice to try. Majority of time will be local town and highway.

 

[CyberTW]

I just received my configuration notice. I am going cyberbeast. Any thoughts on all terrain vs all season? I live in NY so I do deal with snow in the winter. Off roading will be a rare occurrence but would be nice to try. Majority of time will be local town and highway.

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[Shimitzu]

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[Stuck4ger]

I just received my configuration notice. I am going cyberbeast. Any thoughts on all terrain vs all season? I live in NY so I do deal with snow in the winter. Off roading will be a rare occurrence but would be nice to try. Majority of time will be local town and highway.

That’s going to be totally your call as there are valid arguments for both. Will you have chains available? And depending upon the severity of your winter, you may even consider snow tires for the season. When I bought an FJ Cruiser I was surprised to twice have women opine that they loved its tires (all terrain). I’ve had it in some snow (just a few times) and never had to put chains on it. But now I like the look and even though I plan to do a *lot* of highway miles that first year, I am going with AT for my initial Beast tires. If I really need the range I’ll get the “minivan tires” later. I do have the range extender reserved and will install it when available.

 

[Cpt. Picard]

I think some of the AWD guys here are not realizing it's not just about the 0-60 times of the Beast, it's every day driving.

The low end torque at part throttle is massively different... It's so much more powerful at even normal every day driving... Not just when launching or full throttle acceleration. It's the difference between the low end torque of a Diesel or a regular V6 when just getting up to speed.

The Tri-motor drivetrain is amazing

LOL, okay... keep telling that to yourself. As times goes by reflect back on how often did you need or even use that low-end torque (as if CT's insane amount of torque is not more than enough for any application), and if it was worth the $20K. You don't need to come back and post here your honest opinion, just for yourself. I'm sure you will realize it is a complete waste.

 

[CyberTW]

LOL, okay... keep telling that to yourself. As times goes by reflect back on how often did you need or even use that low-end torque (as if CT's insane amount of torque is not more than enough for any application), and if it was worth the $20K. You don't need to come back and post here your honest opinion, just for yourself. I'm sure you will realize it is a complete waste.

Beast could be awesome for some. For my use case it is a wasted 20k plus 20 miles less I would rather have

 

[Cpt. Picard]

There is one major thing that I think half of the folks here do not understand. The CT/CB is that unique EV that drew people who are not EV enthusiasts, not sea turtle lovers, not geeks or any other typical stereotype associated with EV crowds. The segment of the market I'm talking about are those who appreciate capable trucks and look for functionality in the vehicle first and for most. When you bring an argument about torque and hp and 0-60 time and whatnot it's clear to me that you are from the regular EV crowd, or a kid with a rich daddy. And there is nothing wrong with being from the EV crowd, or being a kid (rich or poor), or being a sea turtle lover for that matter; except when you start arguing about things that are out of your element.

Trucks are tools, and tools are critiqued based on functionality and reliability. Now, discussing the reliability aspect of it is a waste of time at the moment, because that discussion shouldn't start till after five years or so. The functionality discussion however is right down the alley of this thread.

So, let's discuss what does the CB bring to the table that CT can't deliver in the scope of functionality. As far as I'm aware, and PLEASE enlighten me if I am missing something here, the only advantaged is the "beastly" torque and the 240+ hp. Right off the bat your extra hp doesn't matter, because it never did for trucks and it will never do. No one who has done some work with a truck cares about your CB going up to 130 mph top speed. Heck, we don't even care that the CT go up to 114 mph. As for torque, If the CT struggled by even the slightest bit in any application while pulling or hauling a heavy load then your extra torque would be a valuable addition to this function of the truck. However, every experienced trucker will tell you that applying more than enough torque needed under a serious load is a fool's game. So, that extra torque, which the CB undoubtedly has, is irrelevant for men (now for boys... well, all kinds of nonsense is relevant for boys).

That's it, there is nothing else to discuss that could possibly bring value to the table. Yet this is where the bad news begin:

1. The CB is about 240 lbs heavier. Now this is really a double negative, and I'm sure you are thinking that the biggest problem here is that it eats through the max range of the truck, but in reality the bigger problem is that it cuts the payload by at least that much. So the CT has a max payload of 2,500 lbs, but the CB has a max payload of about 2,260 lbs or less. So, here you have two huge negatives already that are functional hits on the truck.

2. Dual motor configuration of the rear wheels doesn't allow the CB to have a rear locker. Yes, it still has a front locker which will probably get the work done in most cases, and yes it does have a simulated rear locker through the coordinated control of the independent motors by the software, but the problem here is that a locker is one of those things that doesn't have a substitute, and unless you understand things like why naturally aspirated vehicle will always be superior over a turbo or supercharged engine then this just went over your head and you are clueless of why I'm saying it matters. Just remember these words when your rear locker simulation doesn't work for some reason when you need it and you wish you had a simple locker to engage (hopefully you'll never be in that situation because it is no fun. I've gotten stuck once like that, and if I wasn't driving a serious vehicle, a 4Runner Pro that had a rear locker, I would never get out of there alone.) And whoever says that only CB gets torque vectoring because of the dual motor rear configuration is dead wrong. The torque vectoring can be and is achieved by both CT and CB.

3. Well, the third one is something no one can argue against: you blow away $20K so that you can go 0-60 in under 3 seconds, and if you are man enough to be honest about that I salute thee, but don't come around trying to tell those who know a thing or two about trucks how you are getting the more superior truck. LOL

 

[SteelMyHeart]

The other forum about out of spec Kyle's 15k review has some interesting things to say about ride quality and drive train for awd vs cyberbeast that is worth reading as well.

 

[Kaz109]

There is one major thing that I think half of the folks here do not understand. The CT/CB is that unique EV that drew people who are not EV enthusiasts, not sea turtle lovers, not geeks or any other typical stereotype associated with EV crowds. The segment of the market I'm talking about are those who appreciate capable trucks and look for functionality in the vehicle first and for most. When you bring an argument about torque and hp and 0-60 time and whatnot it's clear to me that you are from the regular EV crowd, or a kid with a rich daddy. And there is nothing wrong with being from the EV crowd, or being a kid (rich or poor), or being a sea turtle lover for that matter; except when you start arguing about things that are out of your element.

Trucks are tools, and tools are critiqued based on functionality and reliability. Now, discussing the reliability aspect of it is a waste of time at the moment, because that discussion shouldn't start till after five years or so. The functionality discussion however is right down the alley of this thread.

So, let's discuss what does the CB bring to the table that CT can't deliver in the scope of functionality. As far as I'm aware, and PLEASE enlighten me if I am missing something here, the only advantaged is the "beastly" torque and the 240+ hp. Right off the bat your extra hp doesn't matter, because it never did for trucks and it will never do. No one who has done some work with a truck cares about your CB going up to 130 mph top speed. Heck, we don't even care that the CT go up to 114 mph. As for torque, If the CT struggled by even the slightest bit in any application while pulling or hauling a heavy load then your extra torque would be a valuable addition to this function of the truck. However, every experienced trucker will tell you that applying more than enough torque needed under a serious load is a fool's game. So, that extra torque, which the CB undoubtedly has, is irrelevant for men (now for boys... well, all kinds of nonsense is relevant for boys).

That's it, there is nothing else to discuss that could possibly bring value to the table. Yet this is where the bad news begin:

1. The CB is about 240 lbs heaver. Now this is really a double negative, and I'm sure you are thinking that the biggest problem here is that it eats through the max range of the truck, but in reality the bigger problem is that it cuts the payload by at least that much. So the CT has a max payload of 2,500 lbs, but the CB has a max payload of about 2,260 lbs or less. So, here you have two huge negatives already that are functional hits on the truck.

2. Dual motor configuration of the rear wheels doesn't allow the CB to have a rear locker. Yes, it still has a front locker which will probably get the work done in most cases, and yes it does have a simulated rear locker through the coordinated control of the independent motors by the software, but the problem here is that a locker is one of those things that doesn't have a substitute, and unless you understand things like why naturally aspirated vehicle will always be superior over a turbo or supercharged engine then this just went over your head and you are clueless of why I'm saying it matters. Just remember these words when your rear locker simulation doesn't work for some reason when you need it and you wish you had a simple locker to engage. And whoever says that only CB gets torque vectoring because of the dual motor rear configuration is dead wrong. The torque vectoring can be and is achieved by both CT and CB.

3. Well, the third one is something no one can argue against: you blow away $20K so that you can go 0-60 in under 3 seconds, and if you are man enough to be honest about that I salute thee, but don't come around trying to tell those who know a thing or two about trucks how you are getting the more superior truck. LOL

Everything you stated is disproven by the Raptor/TRX market, Before that it was the Lightnin/Ram SRT10, before that it was the GMC Syclone.

my point is there has always been a market for niche trucks , these trucks don’t have the same everyday working functionality of the normal working man’s truck and they price has always reflexed it.

From that perspective the CB is a far more “ useful “ to its market than the AWD is. The AWD isn’t as fast, still gets less miles than a traditional truck, tow range is less than a traditional truck all while costing more than a traditional truck that can do more.

Just so we are clear I am not bashing the CT at all, I’m just stating it’s definitely a niche truck and it’s party truck is the speed so getting the faster truck makes the most sense and holds the lost value , just like a Raptor R command a premium over a Regular Raptor.

 

[CyberTW]

Everything you stated is disproven by the Raptor/TRX market, Before that it was the Lightnin/Ram SRT10, before that it was the GMC Syclone.

my point is there has always been a market for niche trucks , these trucks don’t have the same everyday working functionality of the normal working man’s truck and they price has always reflexed it.

From that perspective the CB is a far more “ useful “ to its market than the AWD is. The AWD isn’t as fast, still gets less miles than a traditional truck, tow range is less than a traditional truck all while costing more than a traditional truck that can do more.

Just so we are clear I am not bashing the CT at all, I’m just stating it’s definitely a niche truck and it’s party truck is the speed so getting the faster truck makes the most sense and holds the lost value , just like a Raptor R command a premium over a Regular Raptor.

There is also a HUGE segment of truck buyers that don’t use their trucks as “work trucks” and aren’t “Raptor” guys.. these are men/dads and women I suppose in more urban/suburban areas that have families, enjoy some novice-type adventures and need a truck (say Lariat or that range for other OEMs) for basic truck things (occasional lumber, carrying bikes, etc, but like the room of a larger SUV. These full cab Trucks provide that. That is what the CT AWD is (esp priced in the 70k). Trust me, I was a small town kid who lives in a metropolitan over 1.5 millions. I know how small town people use trucks and I see a crap ton of people who drive trucks in the ‘burbs.. it’s a huge market that the CT cuts (or will cut non-FS) right into (especially once priced better) in fact, I would argue that is their market and it is a huge one all over metropolitan/suburb areas

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