AWD Model vs Cyberbeast

[Gaximus]

Beast has mechanical lockers on the front, but not rear since the rear has two motors, each controlling a wheel. So in slip situations, the front locker can be engaged, but the rear will rely on software to detect slip and distribute power to the wheels. I'm not an off-road guy but I've heard the argument that mechanical lockers are superior to software "lockers" since you're not relying on software logic and possible decision lag to apply power correctly.

As an off road guy myself, software lockers would be 100 times better, could control slippage while climbing through corners, could “engage” on the fly. No hardware to fail(just look up jeep rubicons, arguably the best factory off-roading vehicle there is and all kinds of locker issues, one of the first upgrades is replacing the factory lockers).

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[Gaximus]

That was my thought as well, I almost switched to AWD to get it sooner but talked myself out of that. No way I am letting a Raptor or TRX out accelerate my truck, that's literally one of the biggest selling points of an EV let alone the Cybertruck, that its so fast.

Yep. Exactly. I get trashed talked all the time in my Model S, very few cars on the road can “take me” but when it happens, I’m defending EVs saying, well… if I had the plaid… I would have one and you would have lost. That’s not a good argument for loosing. This way, there is no truck, that will win (aftermarket or not) and pretty much no car, in the distance I’m willing to race at a light. I regret not getting Plaid, not making that mistake again.

 

[TeslaFANa]

I’ve seen a bunch of reasons why AWD owners didn’t want the Beast but I’ve also read of a few AWD owners that regret not getting the Beast. Any Beast owners regret not getting the AWD model?

Got the beast and love it, I'm sure i would've loved the AWD too, I find myself thinking about it sometimes. Fact of the matter is that nobody uses that kind of acceleration on a regular basis but my rationale was that 1. there's no meaningful difference in range but 2. if I add 1000lbs with the range extender (tbd) then the beast will still have plenty of juice but the AWD may suffer a bit more (2.7s may turn into 4.5s and 4.0s may turn into something slow LOL). Mostly an excuse to get the faster one. Anyway, I won't have to wonder for long, my wife is getting an AWD.

 

[HaulingAss]

So I’ve got a cyberbeast on order and I should be getting it early next year. I never really considered the all-wheel-drive model. But I thought I’d ask people here the following question: Can you think of any reason to choose the AWD over the Cyberbeast besides that it supposedly gets 20 miles more range?

If anyone tells you the Dual Motor is too slow, here's a video of it annihilating a high dollar, high spec Ford Raptor R on a dry lake bed:

Cybertruck vs Raptor R: Ultimate Off-Road Duel (youtube.com)

Yes the guy at one point calls it a Cyberbeast, but it's actually a Dual Motor. They wanted the Raptor to win so bad, but they couldn't make it happen.

The Dual Motor kicks some serious ass, even when up against a $130,000+ Ford Raptor R, with the high-performance motor running on Premium fuel and requiring 12-quart oil changes.

 

[Darth abbott]

So I’ve got a cyberbeast on order and I should be getting it early next year. I never really considered the all-wheel-drive model. But I thought I’d ask people here the following question: Can you think of any reason to choose the AWD over the Cyberbeast besides that it supposedly gets 20 miles more range?

Money is the only reason, and if you can afford the Cyber Beast I would go with that. I have an all wheel drive would love to have the cyber Beast LOL

 

[HaulingAss]

Money is the only reason, and if you can afford the Cyber Beast I would go with that. I have an all wheel drive would love to have the cyber Beast LOL

I'm not anti-Cyberbeast, we might even buy one, just know that there are reasons to prefer the dual motor other than lower cost.

To me, ~235 lbs. lighter is a significant advantage, especially if you don't need more power. And that's very rare unless it's a contest or a race. The extra range could be a small advantage too. The abilty to torque vector is an advantage of the Beast, if well implemented, but only in narrow scenarios. I think I appreciate the lighter weight the most. If the Dual Motor were lacking in power and performance, then I might put power first. But the Dual Motor has the power to get even the toughest jobs done without lacking in that department, unless racing.

Assuming one is not in a competitive racing event, then the remaining advantage of the Cyberbeast is the ability to torque vector. And I can't speak to how well that's been implemented. I just know that the Dual Motor is not begging me for torque vectoring as soon as the going gets tough. I engage one or both of the locking differentials as needed. And it has to be pretty difficult to need to do that. The Cybertruck just works. A well implemented torque vectoring could be better for power sliding around, I'm just questioning how much better, if you just need a truck that gets the job done. No doubt more power and torque vectoring can be good for grins and giggles. Just know that it's not needed for practical reasons.

It's like both versions, the Dual Motor and the Tri, are very similar and yet both stand on different pinnacles. The Tri-motor the outrageous performance and the Dual Motor the elegant and simple "can do", each are desirable for their own reasons, not necessarily having to do with cost.

 

[rb92gt]

Beast has mechanical lockers on the front, but not rear since the rear has two motors, each controlling a wheel. So in slip situations, the front locker can be engaged, but the rear will rely on software to detect slip and distribute power to the wheels. I'm not an off-road guy but I've heard the argument that mechanical lockers are superior to software "lockers" since you're not relying on software logic and possible decision lag to apply power correctly.

Sooo, someone buys a Cybertruck but doesn't rely on software, and thinks old school mechanical is better? That's weird.

 

[rb92gt]

I would not trade my awd for a beast if someone offered a straight-up trade.

Lies. Makes no sense

 

[jameslook]

As an off road guy myself, software lockers would be 100 times better, could control slippage while climbing through corners, could “engage” on the fly. No hardware to fail(just look up jeep rubicons, arguably the best factory off-roading vehicle there is and all kinds of locker issues, one of the first upgrades is replacing the factory lockers).

I got stuck in really deep slow last night with the CB. Mind you it was on a slope and I kept sliding down sideways. Anyways, I got out finally locking up the front and using recovery boards on the front and moving forward to get the CB level.
I don’t understand the rear torque vectoring. If both rear wheels spinning what does it do? So if I put one board under one rear wheel it puts the torque on that wheel?
Was super fun! Wouldn’t have gotten stuck if the rear end didn’t start sliding down the slope into the trees
I wish I took a pic. Too busy in EXTRACTION mode.

Cyberbeast for the win but I think we should be talking about how it compares to the R1S Quad software ‘lockers’.
Need a new thread for that.

 

[Gaximus]

I got stuck in really deep slow last night with the CB. Mind you it was on a slope and I kept sliding down sideways. Anyways, I got out finally locking up the front and using recovery boards on the front and moving forward to get the CB level.
I don’t understand the rear torque vectoring. If both rear wheels spinning what does it do? So if I put one board under one rear wheel it puts the torque on that wheel?
Was super fun! Wouldn’t have gotten stuck if the rear end didn’t start sliding down the slope into the trees
I wish I took a pic. Too busy in EXTRACTION mode.

Cyberbeast for the win but I think we should be talking about how it compares to the R1S Quad software ‘lockers’.
Need a new thread for that.

If the truck with software or hardware locking diffs, lock up and all the tires are spinning at the same speed, there is really nothing you can do, as far as torque vectoring goes. No grip is no grip. The torque vectoring works when you have 1-3 tires spinning and 1-3 tires with traction, and sending the power to those tires. In snow your best bet is Better Tires, air-down, or chains.

Either way it sounds like you had some fun, I unfortunately live in a state that doesn't plan on getting any snow this year, Colorado.

 

[jameslook]

If the truck with software or hardware locking diffs, lock up and all the tires are spinning at the same speed, there is really nothing you can do, as far as torque vectoring goes. No grip is no grip. The torque vectoring works when you have 1-3 tires spinning and 1-3 tires with traction, and sending the power to those tires. In snow your best bet is Better Tires, air-down, or chains.

Either way it sounds like you had some fun, I unfortunately live in a state that doesn't plan on getting any snow this year, Colorado.

I decided at the last minute 5 minutes from home and pizza with 16% battery to take it off-road into deep snow to test out the new Nokian Hakkas.
Still getting used to EV range (first EV).
I only went through 3% getting out.
The Hakkas seem really good! The Maxtrax recovery boards saved the day though.
To find out what it is capable you have to put it in situations like this.

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