[Update] FSD v14.2.2.4 Almost Hit a Girl Crossing Street (No it didn’t - Don’t rest your foot on accelerator)

[BlueLightning]

Yes, when peeps say I use my FSD 99%-100% of the time, probably not for this same reason.

I use mine but have to cancel 5-6 times in a five mile trip?!

Not as scary, but still concerning.

Wants to drive out in traffic on its own with multiple vehicles clearly coming in collision course from both directions.

Wanting to turn right instead of left.

Slowing down for every shadow in the road.

FSD Supervised has a long way to go.

Not safe out there!

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[Pirogue007]

I absolutely love my Cybertruck, in no way do I want to create a negative post, but this was a wake up call for me as I’d honestly been getting a bit lazy lately with the nagging being so much less, looking at my phone and such.

You can see in the video exactly how long the truck was in FSD and when I hit the brakes and turned the wheel left, it was 100% going to cut off this girl and 99% probably going to hit her. Scary moment. See for yourself. Just a heads up to everyone to truly stay alert, especially in the city around crosswalks. Honestly blown away that this happened, my trust in FSD was nearly unbreakable. Caution.

It looks to me like the accelerator was pressed

 

[dalanstewart]

Thanks for letting us know. I would definitely not have expected that. Still feels weird that people don't look before stepping off a curb.

You’re not supposed to have to look if you have the walk signal. How else can visually impaired people get across the intersection?

 

[CyberLucky]

Since traffic had stopped, I assume the pedestrian-crossing signal gave her the green light.

** Edit ** it's clear from the video (as someone else pointed out) that the driver engaged the go pedal and that FSD was not driving towards the pedestrian without the driver's encouragement (looks like the pedal was pushed in nearly 25% of the way).

The OP (who seems legit to me, considering prior posts) should edit the original post as a warning about accidentally pressing the go pedal, or about resting your foot there - this does not appear to be FSD going rogue at all.


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[dalanstewart]

Yes, when peeps say I use my FSD 99%-100% of the time, probably not for this same reason.

I use mine but have to cancel 5-6 times in a five mile trip?!

Not as scary, but still concerning.

Wants to drive out in traffic on its own with multiple vehicles clearly coming in collision course from both directions.

Wanting to turn right instead of left.

Slowing down for every shadow in the road.

FSD Supervised has a long way to go.

Not safe out there!

That sounds like 14.2.2.2. I got 14.2.2.3 a few days ago, which seems to have fixed the the truck not going in the direction the nav system says to go it.

 

[dalanstewart]

It is interesting that FSD doesn’t always ask you why you disengaged. More often than not, but definitely not always. As an example, FSD thinks that I live in a church parking lot that is close to my house, and I always disengage when it tries to pull into the lot. In this scenario it doesn’t ask why I disengaged 100% of the time.

I have exactly the same problem! I think it’s a mapping problem.

 

[arnav_8]

Oh man, that’s not good. Thank god you disengaged FSD in time. That’s a big red mark IMO.

I have been using FSD about 70% of the time, but I am still constantly “Driving’ish” . And I disengage near schools if it’s school time or if there are too many kids/people (like a farmers market type senario).

It’s still come a long way even from 13 though.

Again, thank god all good and you did not even get a finger.
-A

 

[ActiveArch]

I could be wrong, but when I look at my Dashcam footage, the accelerator pedal is never "lit" or showing anything when FSD is driving. It only shows something when I press it.

Therefore, it looks like you might have inadvertently been pushing the accelerator pedal and forcing it to drive forward. BTW, I find myself doing this occasionally when I'm in a hurry and want to nudge the truck to start moving.

Again, other people, please verify your Dashcam shows the same thing!


First Video shows FSD engaged in similar circumstance. Note no indication of accelerator pressed:

Second time manually driving. Note accelerator pedal lit indicating it was pressed:

BTW, please don't take this the wrong way!!! Just trying to be helpful...

I have zero reason to take this the wrong way, it looks like you’re absolutely right. I could not recall doing that but wow, data shows differently here, it definitely looks like I’m nudging the accelerator, I hadn’t noticed that. Very good catch, seems pretty certain it was me after all!? so FSD actually STOPPED the car? Wow.

 

[CyberLucky]

I have zero reason to take this the wrong way, it looks like you’re absolutely right. I could not recall doing that but wow, data shows differently here, it definitely looks like I’m nudging the accelerator, I hadn’t noticed that. Very good catch, seems pretty certain it was me after all!? so FSD actually STOPPED the car? Wow.

You should correct the title of the post to a warning about resting your foot on the go pedal - this wasn't an FSD issue.

 

[ActiveArch]

** Edit ** it's clear from the video (as someone else pointed out) that the driver engaged the go pedal and that FSD was not driving towards the pedestrian without the driver's encouragement (looks like the pedal was pushed in nearly 25% of the way).

The OP (who seems legit to me, considering prior posts) should edit the original post as a warning about accidentally pressing the go pedal, or about resting your foot there - this does not appear to be FSD going rogue at all.


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I will be doing this. You’re absolutely correct and I’m happy this was brought to my attention. 1. I admit it was me, and I’ve learned to be more cautious, so much of driving happens unconsciously. And 2. FSD is on the right track after all, this is great news. This was a big mistake on my part.

 

[REM]

thank you for the follow-up on pushing the accelerator. our experience with the transition from FSD supervised to unsupervised will be quite unique because we have vestigial problems like the need (or want) to push the accelerator to give FSD a nudge to be more aggressive.

I've had to really concentrate sometimes to let FSD cook in weird scenarios; especially after getting v14. We have to be careful about remembering that FSD can see in 360° with 100% attention.

 

[Mal]

Props to OP for correcting the assertion, and props to Tesla for displaying the telemetry on the videos exactly for this purpose.

 

[Sjohnson20]

I have goosed the pedal too soon before when making a right. I try not to do it.

Anyways glad this was a false alarm.

 

[HaulingAss]

thank you for the follow-up on pushing the accelerator. our experience with the transition from FSD supervised to unsupervised will be quite unique because we have vestigial problems like the need (or want) to push the accelerator to give FSD a nudge to be more aggressive.

I've had to really concentrate sometimes to let FSD cook in weird scenarios; especially after getting v14. We have to be careful about remembering that FSD can see in 360° with 100% attention.

So true. FSD has improved by leaps and bounds in the last 12 months.

It's become so skillful that when the driver thinks FSD is messing up there is a better than 50% chance FSD sees a potential danger the human missed. This is so common that a human can actually create the dangerous situation themselves, upload the video about it, warning others that FSD is dangerously incompetent, without even realizing the most dangerous part of the system is actually themself. Human arrogance would be shocking if it were not so common! Humans tend to think they are more infallible than they actually are. The gulf between how safe of a driver someone thinks they are, and reality, is often huge.

IMO, FSD is already safer than the average human, if I had to guess, I would say around 2-4X safer (in terms of injury accidents). Full autonomy can't come soon enough for the million plus human caused vehicular fatalities every single year. Let that sink in, over a million people are killed by vehicles driven by humans every single year.

People like Dan O'Dowd are on the wrong side of history, if his incessant anti-FSD lobbying actually results in delayed usage of fully autonomous vehicles, he will have real people's blood on his hands. If it is determined that his anti-FSD stance is based on slowing Tesla down to increase his own business prospects, I would like to see him charged for negligent homicide under racketeering charges. This would not be much of a stretch considering how broadly the anti-racketeering statutes are written. For example, an enterprise might be a construction company that consistently ignores safety regulations to increase profits (negligence), resulting in multiple fatal accidents over a 10-year period. In this case, the negligent homicides could potentially be used as predicate acts under the racketeering statutes. It's not a stretch to think he could go to prison for this, depending upon the legal and political climate in 5 or 10 years. He's not young, he could also die after being charged and before being able to put up a defense.

On the other hand, maybe he really is just one of the dumbest people in the world. But I don't think that's the case, based upon his pattern of setting FSD up to fail in his fake testing.

 

[HaulingAss]

I have goosed the pedal too soon before when making a right. I try not to do it.

Anyways glad this was a false alarm.

My wife just pointed out that NHTSA's insistence on coming to a complete and absolute stop before the legal stop line, even when it's awkward and completely unnecessary for safety reasons, can actually increase accidents by habituating FSD drivers to push on the accelerator pedal at intersections so it conforms more with how humans actually drive and how others expect humans to drive.

IMO, Tesla decided not to push back on NHTSA on this point, not because they thought NHTSA was right, but to avoid getting into a more antagonistic relationship with the federal government (considering that Biden was not friendly towards Tesla to begin with). This near accident never would have happened if NHTSA had not forced Tesla to stop unnaturally at intersections. Autopilot used to roll through intersections much more naturally, just like a typical human driver, if it could verify the coast was clear.

This is why we can't have nice things.

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