FSD going subscription only (one-time purchase no longer available after Feb 14)

[PungoteagueDave]

Youre making up boloney facts and moving goalposts. There is no written agreement when you buy music. For those that do haVE SOME AGREEMENT you assent to, sure, it could make up terms that features are limited in time or can go away without your consent but then they’d have a big ftc problem with it being a “perpetual license” which they would lose. So you’re wrong. Bottom line when you buy the license it’s yours in at least that state basically for the life of at least the device it was licensed to or your life if no specific device is part of the license.

Could they come up with some contract doing what you say, yes, but then they’d couldn’t sell it as a perpetual license or they’d lose the ftc lawsuit on it and would have to label it differently. Also you forget this is at least initially bound by sale of a physical car with expressed features, which makes things much more difficult for Tesla as it’s an advertised feature you buy on physical goods with marketed features not expressing your hypothetical.

If you assent to an upgrade that takes away a feature, that’s YOUR choice, not a dictate of Tesla or anyone else. But you can refuse the update and stick with what you got. Or if the company dies, you get to keep using the software, which would not be a thing if Microsoft killed office 365, you have nothing, but if you have your office 2024, you get to keep using it all you like.

Dude, chill. Be nice. I did not attack you in any way. I wasn't talking about music licenses. I was talking about software licenses. On those you have much more privity and can be contractually bound. When Tesla has you sign a license allowing them perpetual access and software changes you have a choice. This is NOT a hypothetical... we all signed software licenses with the purchase. I agree with you that they cannot remove a feature that was in the original specs at the time of your delivery, for example on the window sticker or marketing materials. But they sure can modify it, including using a reasonable man's interpretation of the feature definition. I believe that Tesla is liable for failing on numerous promises and remains exposed, but the idea that they cannot change your software is ludicrous. Cheers

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[CTOWannabe]

Dude, chill. Be nice. I did not attack you in any way. I wasn't talking about music licenses. I was talking about software licenses. On those you have much more privity and can be contractually bound. When Tesla has you sign a license allowing them perpetual access and software changes you have a choice. This is NOT a hypothetical... we all signed software licenses with the purchase. I agree with you that they cannot remove a feature that was in the original specs at the time of your delivery, for example on the window sticker or marketing materials. But they sure can modify it, including using a reasonable man's interpretation of the feature definition. I believe that Tesla is liable for failing on numerous promises and remains exposed, but the idea that they cannot change your software is ludicrous. Cheers

While you’re huffing you agreed. FSD I paid $8k was part of my delivery. It cant be removed nor can it be materially changed removing capabilities without my consent. They cannot remove it. And cannot change the software without your assent. You don’t have to connect or pay for wireless access and you assent to upgrades or not. And you don’t have to click on the updates.

 

[Aces-Truck]

One uncertainty is now solved. Buy FSD now for 8k, and you will get unsupervised when it becomes available, for no additional cost. I saw this on X:

 

[Cayden Thompson]

One uncertainty is now solved. Buy FSD now for 8k, and you will get unsupervised when it becomes available, for no additional cost. I saw this on X:

How legit is that though? Looks like a Tesla Chatbot.

 

[CallsignVega]

Would never base my decision off AI chat or very low level employee.

 

[NX-01Cybertruck]

I don't know if this has been talked about already but what are the chances cyberbeast keeping full self-driving with the luxe package after February 14th?

 

[doggod]

I don't know if this has been talked about already but what are the chances cyberbeast keeping full self-driving with the luxe package after February 14th?

from what I read on Eula at Tesla it stays with the vehicle and is not transferable.

 

[NX-01Cybertruck]

from what I read on Eula at Tesla it stays with the vehicle and is not transferable.

Sorry meant to say if they will keep the luxe package with the full FSD option on future CB purchases since this is the only vehicle left with luxe.

 

[CTOWannabe]

Sorry meant to say if they will keep the luxe package with the full FSD option on future CB purchases since this is the only vehicle left with luxe.

I was at the dealership today and asked. They said as of now the luxe package will remain even after the 14th, but they could hear word on the 13th it’s going away. TLDR they don’t know definitively either way as of yet.

 

[CyberWalrus]

I think Luxe package will include lifetime FSD. Luxe package also included lifetime premium connectivity and super charging. Those are subscription or peruse features for non Luxe vehicles.

 

[JCERRN]

Dude, chill. Be nice. I did not attack you in any way. I wasn't talking about music licenses. I was talking about software licenses. On those you have much more privity and can be contractually bound. When Tesla has you sign a license allowing them perpetual access and software changes you have a choice. This is NOT a hypothetical... we all signed software licenses with the purchase. I agree with you that they cannot remove a feature that was in the original specs at the time of your delivery, for example on the window sticker or marketing materials. But they sure can modify it, including using a reasonable man's interpretation of the feature definition. I believe that Tesla is liable for failing on numerous promises and remains exposed, but the idea that they cannot change your software is ludicrous. Cheers

They can change the software package on the vehicle and do. There are a bunch of owners who bought CT’s with “base autopilot” listed on their vehicle configuration, but tesla change the vehicle configuration to now say “Traffic aware cruise control” instead of autopilot.

 

[PungoteagueDave]

While you’re huffing you agreed. FSD I paid $8k was part of my delivery. It cant be removed nor can it be materially changed removing capabilities without my consent. They cannot remove it. And cannot change the software without your assent. You don’t have to connect or pay for wireless access and you assent to upgrades or not. And you don’t have to click on the updates.

Updates are automatic, not click. And every Tesla has basic connectivity for this purpose - you cannot turn it off.

 

[PungoteagueDave]

They can change the software package on the vehicle and do. There are a bunch of owners who bought CT’s with “base autopilot” listed on their vehicle configuration, but tesla change the vehicle configuration to now say “Traffic aware cruise control” instead of autopilot.

correct - I am in that exact situation - purchased a '25 AWD Ct on March 3, 2025. Soon afterwards Tesla announced that AP would not be delivered, ever, despite having it in the sales contract. As "compensation" Tesla credited my truck with FSD through June 6 2026. We will be having a "conversation" if it lapses then, because AP had some of the FSD functions that aren't in TACC, and I expect Tesla to deliver.

It seems that for those of us in this window of CT sales, and perhaps prior, Teala is in a box. I understand why they are making the change, even support it, but also think more is owed based on the face of the contract. Unless someone sues, we may never know, just as so far they've walked from responsibility for the range extender cancellation, despite many relying on the commitment to deliver it. I'm now in the position of having to hire a tow vehicle for my boat because CT range is under 100 miles, so have real damages. But some issues in life aren't worth the squeeze to pursue, at least for me.

 

[Bill_CT_AZ]

Ironically, this change has made me reconsider purchasing FSD. Was hesitant to purchase when first got my CT but then Tesla gave me free one year subcription, which expires in May. I've come to trust FSD with improvements over time, but this made me look at the value of a subscription, and IF the fee is and stays at $99 a month then the purchase would be similar to payments for 6 and half years which is a long time in vehicle years.

 

[SCTesla]

Ironically, this change has made me reconsider purchasing FSD. Was hesitant to purchase when first got my CT but then Tesla gave me free one year subcription, which expires in May. I've come to trust FSD with improvements over time, but this made me look at the value of a subscription, and IF the fee is and stays at $99 a month then the purchase would be similar to payments for 6 and half years which is a long time in vehicle years.

If you only plan to own your vehicle for 4-5 years, buying may be silly. I think Tesla is likely to lower the cost to get adoption (they need 10 million subscribers by 2035 and are currently sitting at 1.1 million FSD subscriptions (330k month to month, 770,000 purchases).

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