Doug Demuro the hater…thoughts on his latest comments?

[dalton108]

Wonder if future Beasts will still have the SS on the pedals? That’s always a thing in the plaids and performance models.

Yep it sure is. And it’s easy to fix in those vehicles if you want to. For my wife’s initial (non performance) model Y I just bought aftermarket pads that had stainless steel in them.

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[WoodChuckDad]

As a huge fan of the HMMWV, I was so disappointment when the released the H2. Like legitimately mad that it had the same name. Then the H3 was released and I Knew GM was no longer a company to take seriously.

Also posting links to his content you don’t, just gives them more money and encourages more videos. There is a chance he likes the CyberTruck, just likes money more.

Please. Oh, please let this be true. $35k for an AWD with less than 100 k on it? That would be my new farm truck. Even at $50k with less than 70k miles on it, I’m in. I drive a 2004 dodge ram with 283k miles. Looking at getting a 2018 Toyota Tacoma to take over the truck duties on the farm. I don't think he is right, but I would absolutely love it if he was. A $35k AWD Cybertruck within 18 months would be the best Automotive value in America

 

[GatorCyber]

He has made it clear awhile ago where he stands politically and that he is not a fan of Elon so I know this is coming from a biased place but thoughts on his prediction?

when did cars become investments?

 

[cyberjeff25]

Doug baby- I own a 982 GT3 and a 2023 396 GTB, and a c8 z06 and a cyberbeast - trust me - the cyberbeast is a wonderful car - it is fun to drive, crazy fast, best stereo ever, best a/c, best user interface and carries lumber. Faster then just about every car on your little leader Doug score.

And it drives itself for God’s sake/ you need to experience the latest Full self driving software version. The darn truck parks itself at Costco- it pulls up my long curvy driveway and parks in front of my garage. Is crazy roomy inside for my 6’2” 250 lbs body,

I think the stainless steel is one step too far-the truck should be painted. So it can look pretty. I wrapped mine and that made a big difference in the vehicle.

It goes off road. It squats down to let you exit and enter the vehicle.

I can watch YouTube videos of Doug while my wife is in the grocery store. She never goes to gas stations. Charges every night.

I dare you to give your wife one to drive for three months and then try to take it away from her for some other Mom van or suv. You will never get it away from her/—/

And you will find yourself walking to the cybertruck to run around the town.

My wife eats her frozen yogurt while the car is driving itself home - now tracks the % self driving and she uses the FSD 75% of the time!

Soon insurance companies are going to offer you a 50% discount on insurance if you use the self driving more than say 50 % of the time - eventually this alone will drive the market for Elon’s genius of a system.

Plus if every car was driven 75% of the time using FSD - tens of thousands of Americans would not die in car accidents.

Isn’t not dying more important than top speed or hp etc.

Also the cybertruck now has the highest safety rating following crash and rollover testing of any pick up truck in America.

You’re outing yourself as a dinosaur - in terms of understanding vehicles.

You hate the car because-your likely a nice San Diego liberal guy who dislikes Trump and Elon- and also you love burning gasoline - an oil changes, water pumps that strand you on the way to Las Vegas, car batteries that can’t start your car, hoses that burst at midnight coming back from LAX on the 10 freeway, going to gas stations at 2 am in strange dirty gas stations, and there is dog mode - your dog will love your cybertruck.

I have a 296 GTB msrp of $436,000 and now worth $300,000– cars depreciate., what does a 2023 Mercedes S class sell for these days versus its msrp? Or a Panamera - how do they depreciate? Or the Taycon - or a BMW 7 series sedan?

Your relevance will fade if you don’t - can’t - understand the brilliance of the Cybertruck - steer by wire, brake by wire, rock climbing, all wheel drive, rear wheel steering, no exhaust fumes,

Of all my cars I noted above - the Cybertruck is the one I will own many years from now an my wife will not let me sell.

I dare you - ask Tesla for one as a trial for three months - and let your wife drive it daily - and let’s see the other DeMuro rate all your cars against the Cybertruck and which one she wants you to keep?

Bet you won’t…. A little chicken there Doug???

 

[dalton108]

when did cars become investments?

The very first time somebody made money reselling one.

Beyond that— there’s a fucking chasm between, “I’m dumb and bought this common truck as an investment” and “I’m very wise and comfortable with losing 50 grand on a new vehicle in one years time.”

The former isn’t common, but happens plenty and people make absurd amounts of money on cars that appreciate under the right circumstances. The latter isn’t common either (with general mass production car purchases) and, even among high dollar vehicles, CTs depreciation performance is an outlier.

At some point, some of you guys are gonna have to pick lane. Either it’s the most fantabulous vehicle ever made in the history of mankind and given its relative scarcity should have skyrocketed in value or at least not plummeted like a lead ingot, for resale; or, it’s not— in which case nobody should be surprised or complaining about 40% depreciation in 12 months.

One of these dogs don’t hunt. It can’t be both.

 

[dalton108]

Doug baby- I own a 982 GT3 and a 2023 396 GTB, and a c8 z06 and a cyberbeast - trust me - the cyberbeast is a wonderful car - it is fun to drive, crazy fast, best stereo ever, best a/c, best user interface and carries lumber. Faster then just about every car on your little leader Doug score.

And it drives itself for God’s sake/ you need to experience the latest Full self driving software version. The darn truck parks itself at Costco- it pulls up my long curvy driveway and parks in front of my garage. Is crazy roomy inside for my 6’2” 250 lbs body,

I think the stainless steel is one step too far-the truck should be painted. So it can look pretty. I wrapped mine and that made a big difference in the vehicle.

It goes off road. It squats down to let you exit and enter the vehicle.

I can watch YouTube videos of Doug while my wife is in the grocery store. She never goes to gas stations. Charges every night.

I dare you to give your wife one to drive for three months and then try to take it away from her for some other Mom van or suv. You will never get it away from her/—/

And you will find yourself walking to the cybertruck to run around the town.

My wife eats her frozen yogurt while the car is driving itself home - now tracks the % self driving and she uses the FSD 75% of the time!

Soon insurance companies are going to offer you a 50% discount on insurance if you use the self driving more than say 50 % of the time - eventually this alone will drive the market for Elon’s genius of a system.

Plus if every car was driven 75% of the time using FSD - tens of thousands of Americans would not die in car accidents.

Isn’t not dying more important than top speed or hp etc.

Also the cybertruck now has the highest safety rating following crash and rollover testing of any pick up truck in America.

You’re outing yourself as a dinosaur - in terms of understanding vehicles.

You hate the car because-your likely a nice San Diego liberal guy who dislikes Trump and Elon- and also you love burning gasoline - an oil changes, water pumps that strand you on the way to Las Vegas, car batteries that can’t start your car, hoses that burst at midnight coming back from LAX on the 10 freeway, going to gas stations at 2 am in strange dirty gas stations, and there is dog mode - your dog will love your cybertruck.

I have a 296 GTB msrp of $436,000 and now worth $300,000– cars depreciate., what does a 2023 Mercedes S class sell for these days versus its msrp? Or a Panamera - how do they depreciate? Or the Taycon - or a BMW 7 series sedan?

Your relevance will fade if you don’t - can’t - understand the brilliance of the Cybertruck - steer by wire, brake by wire, rock climbing, all wheel drive, rear wheel steering, no exhaust fumes,

Of all my cars I noted above - the Cybertruck is the one I will own many years from now an my wife will not let me sell.

I dare you - ask Tesla for one as a trial for three months - and let your wife drive it daily - and let’s see the other DeMuro rate all your cars against the Cybertruck and which one she wants you to keep?

Bet you won’t…. A little chicken there Doug???

Buddy, if all of that were true/meaningful, then we all ought to be selling our cars for a nice tidy profit— not taking a 40% depreciation hit in 12 months.

The math ain’t mathing. Good, well received, rare cars do not depreciate in this manner. FJ Cruiser. It’s an absurd suggestion and a ridiculous comparison.

The Cybertruck is not comparable to a GT3. It’s an Edsel. It could’ve and should’ve done better. It didn’t. It won’t.

All of the cars on your list are doing about the same or worse. None of them claimed to be earth shattering revolutionary superlative magical carpet rides. In every each and every case they’re category defining well-worn luxury staples. That doesn’t describe the CT in anyway.

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Grok:

The Ferrari 296 GTB depreciates around 18% in the first year  . A 2023 Mercedes S-Class depreciates about 40% in the first year . The Porsche Panamera depreciates roughly 20% in the first year . The Porsche Taycan depreciates approximately 30% in the first year  . A 2023 BMW 7 Series depreciates about 30% in the first year . The Cybertruck depreciates around 37% in the first year   .

 

[cyberjeff25]

Thank you for proving my point/ cybertruck depreciate - lots of cars do. I don’t see Doug gleefully reporting that these other cars depreciate.

Why suggest that cybertrucks are unique in terms of depreciation? Why because he likely does not like Elon for political reasons and or is jealous of Elon beating every other car legacy car company at their own game- he alone has messed up the car industry and will continue to build market share - and once more people understand the significance of this genius self driving technology that Elon is perfecting every single day as hundreds of thousands of teslas provide real world feedback to perfect this technology -around five years from now all these car companies are going to wake up and find they are selling old fashioned hand crank adding machines in the age of self driving cars. Just like guys that defended horse drawn buggies in the face of those gas sputtering- oil dripping- horse scaring loud gas driven buggies,

Have you driven in a cybertruck ever? Have you had a cybertruck drive you 100 miles over driveways, highways, freeways, stop lights, stop for emergency vehicles/ and pull into the destination parking lot and back into a parking spot and turn itself off? No you have not and you anbd our friend Doug avoid the experience as it might force you to rethink your automobile hegemony and biased ideas.

Musk refuses to advertise - he only spends on engineering. He is destroying thermos idea of dealerships that try to cheat you when you buy a car and try to con you into buying all sorts of add on junk you don’t need and torture you by playing this idiotic salesman and sales manager game of wearing you down to try and get more money out of your pocket. You buy direct from Tesla and service direct with Tesla and they don’t try to sell you any additional add on crap. They tell you the interest rate right up front. No stupid games that the traditional car industry is built on.

The only people that hate the cybertruck are people that have not owned one and have not experienced full self driving software —

When I was in college in the 1970’s - as a Frshman I had to buy a slide rule/ I thought this guy that made all these slide rules must be making billions of dollars. Every freshman had to buy one… and two years later the hand calculator from Hewlett - Packard made that business obsolete. Kodak - the bluest of blue companies - billions a year in chemical photo processing and disposable cameras - remember those? Kodak thought these digital cameras were a fad / - today that company is dead.

Elon is not just building cars - like these other companies - he is going to make them all obsolete -and he will own all the “gas” stations - as well. His charge stations are being installed by thousands a year - I bet one just got installed near your home- all these other charge station companies are poorly run and don’t work most of the time.

Laugh at the cybertruck - and Elon’s “cars”- remember your naive attitude - GM and Microsoft recently wrote off billions on their self driving system - they gave up. Eventually Porsche and GM and Ford and Mercedes and Volkswagen and even Bugatti / will have to license Tesla’s full self driving system or spend billions and a decade iteratively trying to duplicate what Elon has been working on now for years and years. How do they catch up to Elon’s Tesla system? It is already too late for all these car companies. So GM can make a corvette with a 1,000 hp- big deal - not very difficult obviously. Tesla is making HP meaningless when the cybertruck has 875 hp and he could easily make it 1500 hp. HP is becoming meaningless - in the face of Tesla’s electric motor technology. Batteries will get better , his electric motors will get better , his cars will get even more reliable -

The Cybertruck and Tesla is not going anywhere but larger and more important while all these car companies traditional car companies are selling “slide rules”— that guy that had the slide rule company should have been the first to design digital calculators.

I love cars - I have had zillions of them over my 74 years and no car has been life changing like the cybertruck- the others are different sheet metal and somewhat different engines and different colors - but truth is they are all the same until Tesla.

Buy the stock now — in ten years he will have changed the entire car industry model.

Even Jay Leno bought a Tesla — even he knows electric cars are the future.

 

[YDR37]

The Cybertruck is not comparable to a GT3. It’s an Edsel. It could’ve and should’ve done better. It didn’t. It won’t.

From the Wikipedia Edsel page:

The Edsel model line had multiple design features that were considered innovative

Edsels were considered overhyped, unattractive

Only 118,287 Edsels were built ... By U.S. auto industry standards, these production figures were dismal, particularly when spread across a run of three model years.

The Cybertruck is entering its third model year. Production to date is somewhere around 60,000 to 70,000.

And don't say: "production must be higher than that, my 2026 CT has a VIN of 85,xxxx." Tesla doesn't use every possible VIN number; some blocks of VINs are skipped and never issued. So VINs run ahead of actual production.

 

[iproduce]

I think Doug is way off on his used CT resale predictions.

I would tend to agree if Tesla was pumping out 150,000 CT’s per year but the relatively low production numbers are helping to prop up resale values.

The least expensive Cybertruck on Autotrader when running a nationwide search reveals a 16k mile 2024 AWD for $71,900.

Doug baby- I own a 982 GT3 and a 2023 396 GTB, and a c8 z06 and a cyberbeast - trust me - the cyberbeast is a wonderful car - it is fun to drive, crazy fast, best stereo ever, best a/c, best user interface and carries lumber. Faster then just about every car on your little leader Doug score.

And it drives itself for God’s sake/ you need to experience the latest Full self driving software version. The darn truck parks itself at Costco- it pulls up my long curvy driveway and parks in front of my garage. Is crazy roomy inside for my 6’2” 250 lbs body,

I think the stainless steel is one step too far-the truck should be painted. So it can look pretty. I wrapped mine and that made a big difference in the vehicle.

It goes off road. It squats down to let you exit and enter the vehicle.

I can watch YouTube videos of Doug while my wife is in the grocery store. She never goes to gas stations. Charges every night.

I dare you to give your wife one to drive for three months and then try to take it away from her for some other Mom van or suv. You will never get it away from her/—/

And you will find yourself walking to the cybertruck to run around the town.

My wife eats her frozen yogurt while the car is driving itself home - now tracks the % self driving and she uses the FSD 75% of the time!

Soon insurance companies are going to offer you a 50% discount on insurance if you use the self driving more than say 50 % of the time - eventually this alone will drive the market for Elon’s genius of a system.

Plus if every car was driven 75% of the time using FSD - tens of thousands of Americans would not die in car accidents.

Isn’t not dying more important than top speed or hp etc.

Also the cybertruck now has the highest safety rating following crash and rollover testing of any pick up truck in America.

You’re outing yourself as a dinosaur - in terms of understanding vehicles.

You hate the car because-your likely a nice San Diego liberal guy who dislikes Trump and Elon- and also you love burning gasoline - an oil changes, water pumps that strand you on the way to Las Vegas, car batteries that can’t start your car, hoses that burst at midnight coming back from LAX on the 10 freeway, going to gas stations at 2 am in strange dirty gas stations, and there is dog mode - your dog will love your cybertruck.

I have a 296 GTB msrp of $436,000 and now worth $300,000– cars depreciate., what does a 2023 Mercedes S class sell for these days versus its msrp? Or a Panamera - how do they depreciate? Or the Taycon - or a BMW 7 series sedan?

Your relevance will fade if you don’t - can’t - understand the brilliance of the Cybertruck - steer by wire, brake by wire, rock climbing, all wheel drive, rear wheel steering, no exhaust fumes,

Of all my cars I noted above - the Cybertruck is the one I will own many years from now an my wife will not let me sell.

I dare you - ask Tesla for one as a trial for three months - and let your wife drive it daily - and let’s see the other DeMuro rate all your cars against the Cybertruck and which one she wants you to keep?

Bet you won’t…. A little chicken there Doug???

Best response ever!

 

[dalton108]

Have you driven in a cybertruck ever? Have you had a cybertruck drive you 100 miles over driveways, highways, freeways, stop lights, stop for emergency vehicles/ and pull into the destination parking lot and back into a parking spot and turn itself off? No you have not and you anbd our friend Doug avoid the experience as it might force you to rethink your automobile hegemony and biased ideas.

My guy, you act like you just invented the idea of owning a Tesla this afternoon. Doug posted his glowing, detailed review of the CT in March 2024– well before the vast majority of people on this forum ever got theirs.

To answer your question: I’ve only ever driven a CyberTruck w/FSD twice; today.

Even Jay Leno bought a Tesla — even he knows electric cars are the future.

Jay Leno famously owns a very early production original Model S and moreover owns what are some of the first electric cars ever built (1909 Baker Electric/1914 Detroit Electric), a new plaid and everything in between. Why you would say “even he” is just about as weird as basically everything else out of your mouth/keyboard.

 

[ABILISK]

@cyberjeff25 I know you’re not too active on here but yes Dalton is an owner, yes he has FSD, and yes he knows what he’s talking about (well, for the most part )

 

[dalton108]

Doug avoid the experience as it might force you to rethink your automobile hegemony and biased ideas.

Lastly to your assertion that you’ve never seen him going after other cars it’s just kind of crazy and more important false. Here he is explaining just a few months ago why my Corvette among other cars is never gonna go up in value.



Here he is years ago telling you how to tell the difference. And if you look at this it’s why I’ve always been a big fan of the CT not doing big numbers. There’s only one potential long term problem, it’s not an “enthusiast car.” It’s hated too much. And, unfortunately, that’s the difference between being a SuperBird and an Edsel.

 

[CyberGus]

A 2026 Cybertruck will definitely go for $35k… in 2040

 

[dalton108]

A 2026 Cybertruck will definitely go for $35k… in 2040

Dude I’m hoping that that’s when they finally catch fire and go for 500,000!

 

[Speedr]

Wow, quite a lot of posts on this thread!

Appreciating Asset

If you ever want to see what an appreciating asset looks like that typically isn't, look no further than COVID! There were TONS of examples of people getting what they paid for their cars...3 YEARS EARLIER, when they were new. Another example of supply and demand is when some hot new model hits the market (think latest mid-engine Corvette, Ford Raptors, etc.). They are WAY above sticker due to demand.

Just do a quick thought experiment: What percentage of the population wound want to sleep or use their phones the whole time while the car drives? Tesla sold around 600,000 cars last year in the US. Total sales in the US were 16 MILLION. So that's 3.75% of all cars sold. If, let's say, 10% wanted cars that drove them, then the price would MOON! 25%. Look out!!

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