Please bring the thumbwheel speed trim back!

[wb9vxy]

The left and right toggle on the righthand thumbwheel changes mode just like the thumbwheel does.

If I need to slow down to check a bike path or when I see kids playing down the street I used to trim the speed
with the thumbwheel.

Now that is gone.

Please bring it back. Don't need to actions to do the same function...

T3

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[Kl777yl]

There is too large of a gap between Chill & Standard for our driving needs. (10 mph difference!)

It sure would be nice to have the option to manually set the limits for the five options, like SPEED LIMIT + X mph.

....or at least have a way to trim the speed while moving.

 

[tbuck]

It is also great when the vehicle does not get the speed limit correct - for example, thinks it is 55 in a 35 zone or misses a school zone. The speed profiles let me dial up from the posted speed limit, but not below it. Big oversight on Tesla's part without fully understanding the real-world negative implications of their change.

 

[TyPope]

There is too large of a gap between Chill & Standard for our driving needs. (10 mph difference!)

It sure would be nice to have the option to manually set the limits for the five options, like SPEED LIMIT + X mph.

....or at least have a way to trim the speed while moving.

I use the scroll wheel to trim speed down. Simply rolling from Standard to Chill (for example) and then back after a second bleeds off speed. Touching the pedal adds it back.

 

[georgek43]

The left and right toggle on the righthand thumbwheel changes mode just like the thumbwheel does.

If I need to slow down to check a bike path or when I see kids playing down the street I used to trim the speed
with the thumbwheel.

Now that is gone.

Please bring it back. Don't need to actions to do the same function...

T3

There are a lot posts requesting its return. 100% of the owners in my local Tesla friend group want it back. Seems the influencers and fanbois sing the praises of the new speed profiles, but not many actual owners do. I’m starting to think the glowing reviews are just fake news.

The profiles are frustrating, imprecise, and often wrong, requiring a whole lot more user interventions during an FSD drive. It’s not nearly as enjoyable or relaxing with the speed profiles rather than the previous speed management system.

I just did a 200+ mile trip, had to fiddle with the speed profiles dozens if not hundreds of times, too fast, too slow, disengaged dozens of times. Never had to do that when FSD13 simply followed the user set rule of percent over the speed limit, with the scroll wheel to fine tune speed when the system speed limits are wrong. Maybe FSD14 drives better and does more tricks, but speed profiles are not an improvement. IMO it’s a TOTAL FAIL.

My wife hates it when I’m using FSD because it’s either speeding or going too slow, rarely just right now that the driver cannot fine tune the speed. She wants me to trade the CT back to a Cadillac or GMC. I’m thinking about it.

I loved my CT. I mean really loved driving it. Now, not so much. FSD is amazingly wonderful but the new speed management system of profiles is terrible. I want speed control back on the scroll wheel.

 

[Wraven]

Strange that "Full Self Driving" feature set should have more human input. I think you guys bought into a stage of the product development but not its intended future. What happens when there is no steering wheel or pedals?

 

[georgek43]

I don’t think my opinion is strange at all. I want FSD but not frustration. Others can go to sleep at the wheel but in this reality and this point in time both functionally and legally I am a critically necessary driver, not a passenger

Three points
1. I do like the dream of full autonomous driving, but we’re not there yet. Mine still makes far too many errors- wrong speed both too fast and too slow, wrong turns, weird routing, confusion at intersections, camera glare and reduced vision at low sun angles and heavy rain, and lots of others.
2. I bought into driver assist system in a vehicle that does have a steering wheel and pedals. I did not buy a robotaxi, and I would not buy a vehicle without a driver safety override system of a steering wheel and pedals until it is a much much much better FSD.
3. the new “speed profile” system that cuts out my ability to correct speed errors requires much MORE human input to keep it safe and legal. That extra input is a major reason why I want the previous scroll wheel speed set back. The new system is functionally less “full self driving “ for me because of poor speed management.

 

[JDin NFLA]

I like it the way it is. So if anything bring an option for control speed.

 

[georgek43]

I agree- I’m not saying remove the speed profiles- I think they’re frustrating, annoying and imprecise now and require far too much fiddling around to go the speed I think is best, but they’ll get better over time.

I just want the option back to set a precise max speed so FSD is more usable for me right now. If owners don’t want to use it and just let the car select their speed by a profile, so be it.

The scroll wheel will select speed profiles by scrolling up or down, or pushing left or right. One of those redundant controls could bring back the max speed selection, and keep the speed profiles just as they are. Then everybody is happy.

I understand we’re being used as a test bed for both the hardware driving functionality and driver psychological acceptance of eventual full autonomous driving, but we’re not there yet. I want my CT to work for me right now, not in some nebulous future.

Posts keep saying there are exact speed management limits right now and use something like these numbers:
sloth=speed limit
chill= +2
standard =+5
hurry=+10
mad max= +something more
but none of this is really true- it’s much more complicated than that- the AI reads surrounding traffic (if any), road condition, GIS speed limits, speed limit signs, camera visibility, pedestrians and bicyclists, weather and a lot of other inputs, so it varies speed in a way that I think is often too slow, slowing down for no apparent reason even in standard or hurry or even MM, but then creeps up into ticket risk territory. I don’t think the AI reads the road anywhere near as well as I do, but that’s almost irrelevant because what’s most important is that it no longer does what I want it to do, and I’m the paying customer. Somehow that’s gotten forgotten.

 

[Coagulation]

Am I the only one who likes the new setup way better? I start on standard. If it’s stuck behind a slowpoke, I click hurry mode for a few minutes then back to standard. I’ve never used FSD more than i do now

 

[georgek43]

Glad you like it. You are not the only one and you are probably in the majority. I accept that I could hold the minority opinion, but I’m certainly not the only one. FSD14 speed management does works for me, but not nearly as well as the previous ‘percent offset‘ and ‘scroll wheel max’ system. For me the speed management is a definite downgrade; I really liked the ability to select a precision speed. I find the new speed profiles take A LOT more driver input, causing frustration when too slow, and anxiety when too fast, whereas the previous system was pretty much set, forget and relax. I simply want the option back.

 

[65SoYoLO]

The scroll wheel needs to adjust the speed since the choices are not fine enough for all situations on the road. Leave the side selection to choose which mode you want but have the scroll wheel select miles per hour each indent is 1 mi an hour and a quick flip up is five. Otherwise the speeds that are programmed in are not acceptable on highways. Long Island is 55 mph and on standard mode, the truck is doing 66 mph. I don't want to do 66 when traffic is moving 60. That is a target on my truck for the police. Switching from standard to chill mode the truck rapidly slows down to 56 or 57 mph. That is not acceptable and it is really dangerous. They need to fix it.

 

[SlegMD]

I just had the pleasure of having a loaner as I was getting some warranty maintenance on the truck.
‘Twas a model X with HW3 with FSD v12. Just a flick to adjust speed, was kinda nice to make quick adjustments without expecting a behavior change.

I think the speed system withv14 is actually functional, it’s the other behavior that comes with the choice. I personally think a lane maintain option would fix my issues as CT lane selection does not match my preference and I tire of having to select a drive mode to attempt a lane merge or selection.

And yes, the current FSD needs to respond to school zones etc better

 

[georgek43]

The scroll wheel needs to adjust the speed since the choices are not fine enough for all situations on the road. Leave the side selection to choose which mode you want but have the scroll wheel select miles per hour each indent is 1 mi an hour and a quick flip up is five. Otherwise the speeds that are programmed in are not acceptable on highways. Long Island is 55 mph and on standard mode, the truck is doing 66 mph. I don't want to do 66 when traffic is moving 60. That is a target on my truck for the police. Switching from standard to chill mode the truck rapidly slows down to 56 or 57 mph. That is not acceptable and it is really dangerous. They need to fix it.

I’m in 100% agreement. You said it very well.

 

[TickTock]

Strange that "Full Self Driving" feature set should have more human input. I think you guys bought into a stage of the product development but not its intended future. What happens when there is no steering wheel or pedals?

I would never buy a car w/o steering wheel or pedals until they fix these issues. FSD works great on my daily 25mi commute and I almost never intervene. However, I just got back from a 400 mile round trip to southern Arizona and was only able to use it about 50% of the time due to the speed issue the OP mentions and it's tendency to tailgate the car in front of me if traffic wasn't moving as fast as it wanted to go. Even in sloth mode - the only way to maintain a 2s interval was to disengage FSD.

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