CB on Ice = 100%

[CyberChompy]

My first time w/ the Beast in Ice (Dallas, TX). Unreal handling, comfort and safety. Truly a pleasure to drive without worries.

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[CyberGus]

My first time w/ the Beast in Ice (Dallas, TX). Unreal handling, comfort and safety. Truly a pleasure to drive without worries.

My worry is the other drivers

 

[That Beast Mode]

My worry is the other drivers

Its like playing bumper cars when youre in a tank

 

[tingmo13]

is the dog challenging Cybertruck?

 

[jimbaum]

I have to get back to Dallas from Houston. The freeway may be an issue if I need to pass other cars (or if FSD will attempt to do it with no tracks and just snow/ice).

 

[shopaholic]

I assume you have snow shoes on?

 

[jimbaum]

I assume you have snow shoes on?

No, just all-season tires (not stock, but much better).

 

[Tecyber1]

I was waiting for someone to post about it but I have been so impressed by the CT AWD in these conditions. Engage the dynamic setting “Slippery Surface” and it’s been smooth sailing. It doesn’t hurt I actually know how to drive and act in winter weather!

I tried FSD a couple times this morning but decided to disengage it both times shortly after. Just don’t trust it enough but if anyone else has, how did it go?

 

[BeFamousVideo]

I was waiting for someone to post about it but I have been so impressed by the CT AWD in these conditions. Engage the dynamic setting “Slippery Surface” and it’s been smooth sailing. It doesn’t hurt I actually know how to drive and act in winter weather!

I tried FSD a couple times this morning but decided to disengage it both times shortly after. Just don’t trust it enough but if anyone else has, how did it go?

FSD has Sloth and Chill mode for weather like what you are seeing. Access it easily using the right thumb wheel on your steering wheel.

 

[HaulingAss]

FSD has Sloth and Chill mode for weather like what you are seeing. Access it easily using the right thumb wheel on your steering wheel.able.

I've noticed the Cybertruck dialing back the speed when it's in Mad Max mode and it encounters wheel slip from icy patches. I doubt if it has enough training yet to truly deal with edge cases when it encounters super slick ice out of the blue. I bet it outperforms many humans in trying to save it, but I'm sure it's still quite vulnerable in crazy edge cases. The technology is amazing, not infallible, and some ice is slicker than others.

I've encountered all kinds of winter conditions through my life and one winter night, early in the evening, I remember encountering ice like no other. We had full-on winter tires on a Dodge Power Wagon, the same tires we had used successfully for all kinds of slick conditions the rest of the winter, and we were reduced to crabbing at a 45 degree angle at 3 mph to our direction of travel just to prevent the normal slight crown of the highway from sending us off the two lane highway. We eventually made it, but for 10 miles it was pretty dicey, just to stay on the empty, mostly level road at 3 mph.

We did pass one other vehicle that was only going 2 mph, it was a sketchy slow speed pass, they probably thought we were crazy to pass under such conditions. Of course, no lives were endangered until we stopped for a short rest break and learned that no one could even stand up on the slick snot, even on almost perfectly level surfaces. It was about twice as slick as normal hard wet ice just beginning to melt on the surface. This ice wasn't visibly wet (although the temperature was around 30 degrees F). As each person would get out of the cab they would instantly fall on their ass, each person warning the others it was "really" slick with increasing emphasis on the word "really" until the fourth person was stringing together three or four emphatic "really's". We ended up getting everyone back in the cab by forming a human chain on the ground, we probably looked like a big worm, and pulling ourselves in with our arms (some with assistance from inside). I've not seen anything like it in the last 35 years.

The two Power Wagons and one F-150 in the small fleet were setup to be as good as possible in normal deep snow and icy conditions, by rural loggers and sportsmen who lived in and around the foothills and ran a small family shop for truck tires, suspensions, etc. and who knew their specialty from first hand experience and trying out the latest and greatest, always looking for a little more winter performance, like no one else in the area. We would drive these lightly modded trucks with the pedal to the metal most of the time because they were heavily loaded and had relatively gutless V8's converted to propane for mountain weather reliability.

The Cybertruck, with the same tires on it, probably would have had a much easier go of it with it's modern electronic traction features. I would love to see the strategy FSD would use in such slick conditions, it might just refuse to drive, I don't know. Had I not encountered that type of ice, I wouldn't have believed it existed. It made normal ice look like child's play. I think it formed from the humidity in the air at a rapid pace and relied on the perfect temperature, humidity (perhaps less than 100%) and enough time at those conditions to form thickly enough (maybe as little as an hour or two). Oh, and no traffic or wind to speak of.

 

[BeFamousVideo]

I've noticed the Cybertruck dialing back the speed when it's in Mad Max mode and it encounters wheel slip from icy patches. I doubt if it has enough training yet to truly deal with edge cases when it encounters super slick ice out of the blue. I bet it outperforms many humans in trying to save it, but I'm sure it's still quite vulnerable in crazy edge cases. The technology is amazing, not infallible, and some ice is slicker than others.

I've encountered all kinds of winter conditions through my life and one winter night, early in the evening, I remember encountering ice like no other. We had full-on winter tires on a Dodge Power Wagon, the same tires we had used successfully for all kinds of slick conditions the rest of the winter, and we were reduced to crabbing at a 45 degree angle at 3 mph to our direction of travel just to prevent the normal slight crown of the highway from sending us off the two lane highway. We eventually made it, but for 10 miles it was pretty dicey, just to stay on the empty, mostly level road at 3 mph.

We did pass one other vehicle that was only going 2 mph, it was a sketchy slow speed pass, they probably thought we were crazy to pass under such conditions. Of course, no lives were endangered until we stopped for a short rest break and learned that no one could even stand up on the slick snot, even on almost perfectly level surfaces. It was about twice as slick as normal hard wet ice just beginning to melt on the surface. This ice wasn't visibly wet (although the temperature was around 30 degrees F). As each person would get out of the cab they would instantly fall on their ass, each person warning the others it was "really" slick with increasing emphasis on the word "really" until the fourth person was stringing together three or four emphatic "really's". We ended up getting everyone back in the cab by forming a human chain on the ground, we probably looked like a big worm, and pulling ourselves in with our arms (some with assistance from inside). I've not seen anything like it in the last 35 years.

The two Power Wagons and one F-150 in the small fleet were setup to be as good as possible in normal deep snow and icy conditions, by rural loggers and sportsmen who lived in and around the foothills and ran a small family shop for truck tires, suspensions, etc. and who knew their specialty from first hand experience and trying out the latest and greatest, always looking for a little more winter performance, like no one else in the area. We would drive these lightly modded trucks with the pedal to the metal most of the time because they were heavily loaded and had relatively gutless V8's converted to propane for mountain weather reliability.

The Cybertruck, with the same tires on it, probably would have had a much easier go of it with it's modern electronic traction features. I would love to see the strategy FSD would use in such slick conditions, it might just refuse to drive, I don't know. Had I not encountered that type of ice, I wouldn't have believed it existed. It made normal ice look like child's play. I think it formed from the humidity in the air at a rapid pace and relied on the perfect temperature, humidity (perhaps less than 100%) and enough time at those conditions to form thickly enough (maybe as little as an hour or two). Oh, and no traffic or wind to speak of.

That's amazing. People can get seriously hurt falling on ice that slick. I've lived and driven in snow, not like that ice though. Now I live in a weather bubble in So. Cal. all I see is rain.

 

[Tecyber1]

FSD has Sloth and Chill mode for weather like what you are seeing. Access it easily using the right thumb wheel on your steering wheel.

I am keenly aware of all features and functionality and still don't trust it in these conditions. I tried it twice for maybe 30 seconds each. I will wait for others to be the guinea pig for these FSD conditions.

 

[HaulingAss]

I am keenly aware of all features and functionality and still don't trust it in these conditions. I tried it twice for maybe 30 seconds each. I will wait for others to be the guinea pig for these FSD conditions.

Lot's of people have already performed the function of "guinea pig" in a Cybertruck on FSD in the snow and ice. Color ME impressed. It's all what you are comfortable with. Just don't let it get to a speed YOU are not comfortable with in those conditions (or initiate a line that YOU feel puts you in danger). Every driver's comfort level will be different, everyone has different abilities when it comes to reading the likely available traction and the camber of the road, the sharpness of the curve, etc. so only let it do what YOU are comfortable with. If YOU do not have the ability to identify these situations almost immediately, then don't use FSD in such conditions. Judgement is key.

Even when it can drive in treacherous winter conditions without human oversight, that will NOT make it infallible. Just as humans are not infallible in such conditions (or any conditions, really). FSD will be safer than the average human driver in treacherous conditions before it's allowed to be unsupervised in such conditions. While it is still supervised, it's up to YOU, the driver, to decide if it's driving appropriately and whether you have the ability to take over before it's doing something inappropriate.

 

[Beetlebug62]

I went skiing yesterday after an overnight 20" snowstorm. Temps were frigid, single-digit overnight, so the towns did not use salt or sand on the roads. Personally, I hate salt and sand, because dirty slush is far harder to drive thru than extremely cold snow, which is surprisingly grippy. And, I drove 99% of the time on FSD. Below is an image, and you can see the speed limit is 35, Hurry mode is driving ~5mph slower, as I go uphill towards a 90° turn. I have the cams up, and you can see, they're covered with snow, and the display is saying FSD maybe degraded. The truck can drive fine without the rear cam. And it can drive without the sidecams, except when turning, when you get the red steering wheel alert to take over, AFTER you've already turned. FSD can still drive, you just have to do a quick toggle off/on, and it's fine.

Still, no serious issues, no slippage, no close calls. Oddly, I rarely turn on MadMax mode, but I had it on quite a bit yesterday, as I felt the truck was going too slow for the conditions, and my comfort level. I felt 40-45mph was safe.

For me, the big remaining FSD issue is slushy roads near 32°f, why? You drive differently in slush. You have to follow the tire tracks, even if they're not centered in the lane. And, FSD still doesn't do that. It tries to place the truck in what it thinks is close to the center of the lane. Slush is like a frozen puddle. You hit it, and you can hydroplane off, so you drive in the tiretracks, and stay glued to those tracks. If you don't, whichever wheel hits the slush first, your vehicle will pull to that side, start sliding, and you can go off the road, just like hydroplaning. So, slush is the last big hurdle.

EDIT: I forgot to add, I was driving on Michelin Defender LTX Platinum. I just took off my Duratracs because I'm going on a cross-country trip in less than 2wks. The Defenders were very good.

 

[jimbaum]

Traveled from Houston to Dallas today. Roads were mostly good until I was getting into DFW territory, where some snow/ice was present. Was pretty impressed with the overall handling of CT and FSD, and I was pleased to say the least.

The only gripe I had on the freeway in Dallas was that it kept "tailgating" the front vehicle when they were going slow - I had to disengage and leave voice memos of such. Too close of a following distance when road conditions are not ideal is one thing, but tailgating also makes the windshield get so nasty from the road splash, which can be detrimental for FSD. Nothing good comes of tailgating, but it kept wanting to do so.

After I got back into my local town, where most of the 3-lane roads had some snow/ice on the two outer lanes, FSD generally stayed in the center lane with others and refused to drive the outer lanes even when I turned on my blinkers. It finally had to hesitantly get into the left lane only when a turn was coming up.

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