AWD Model vs Cyberbeast

[cybercuh]

I have quite a few supercars as well, which is why the AWD version would be too slow for me... But I'm curious, you really thought that the truck could "flip over" changing lanes at 110mph? That's actually insane to me, how could it have felt like it would flip over just changing lanes.

Also, care to explain how the AWD is more reliable than a Beast? That's new to me...

This was on a freeway interchange, saw the empty freeway I floored it at the end of the ramp and when I was going to switch to the third lane there was significant body roll that took me to the 2nd lane.

Reliabilty is only based on personal observation when I took mine in for due bill on cosmetic repairs.. They had 3 non-operational CBs awaiting service that had been sitting there for some time.. that and fewer parts=less things that can break.

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[Cyber Man]

This was on a freeway interchange, saw the empty freeway I floored it at the end of the ramp and when I was going to switch to the third lane there was significant body roll that took me to the 2nd lane.

Reliabilty is only based on personal observation when I took mine in for due bill on cosmetic repairs.. They had 3 non-operational CBs awaiting service that had been sitting there for some time.. that and fewer parts=less things that can break.

No Body roll is important for me. In fact, I’m holding on to Porsche primarily for this reason. Is Beast having more body roll than AWD? I think it’s not as good as Porsche, but curious to know compared to AWD.

 

[Dwayne Z]

1. Extra cost
2. Less range
3. Extra weight
4. Will almost never use the extra 245hp and AWD 600hp is more than enough power for my driving
5. When I go to pick up my AWD and they offer to upgrade me to beast at no cost, I would probably choose the beast for resale value only.
6. I wouldn't get a beast even if it were barely priced above AWD.

“Offer to upgrade you at no cost”? What makes you think that could ever happen? ?

 

[cybercuh]

“Offer to upgrade you at no cost”? What makes you think that could ever happen? ?

it’s a hypothetical situation, of course that’s not gonna happen..

Lol this thread is an all out awd vs cb royal rumble

 

[HaulingAss]

Beast has mechanical lockers on the front, but not rear since the rear has two motors, each controlling a wheel. So in slip situations, the front locker can be engaged, but the rear will rely on software to detect slip and distribute power to the wheels. I'm not an off-road guy but I've heard the argument that mechanical lockers are superior to software "lockers" since you're not relying on software logic and possible decision lag to apply power correctly.

I haven't driven a Beast off-road (or on-road for that matter), I own a Dual Motor. But I believe the argument that a mechanical locker is superior to a powerful motor on each wheel to be questionable. With good software (and Tesla makes the best, IMHO), the independent motors are superior, particularly on icy pavement where a mechanical locker has serious disadvantages.

The one thing a software based locker cannot do is apply all the available rear axle torque to one wheel, it can only apply the torque of the dedicated motor to that wheel. However, I find this argument meaningless, considering that the rear motors are powerful enough to be traction limited in almost any conceivable scenario.

The one qualification to the software-based locker being superior, is the goodness of the traction and stability software. Since I haven't tested the Beast, I cannot say, but I believe Tesla will program the off-road modes specifically to act like a mechanical locker when needed. The time delay that mechanical locker fans like to use to discredit software lockers should be a moot point. Tesla can make them as synchronous as necessary, with the added benefit of being able to turn at different speeds to facilitate traction when using tight turning angles, a well-known disadvantage of mechanical lockers.

I'm a little surprised I haven't seen a head-to-head hill climbing traction test between the two yet. Even if the early release Beast loses such a test, I think it highly likely that more refined future software would make it at least as good as a mechanical locker climbing ridiculously steep, slippery hills, and superior on glare ice and the like.

I bought the Dual Motor so I could get my hands on a Cybertruck ASAP, but I would take either. In practice, the benefit of the Beast is not the insane acceleration, it's losing the rear differential and getting thrust vectoring. Oh, and the cool Beast logo, lol! And the biggest disadvantage of the Beast, besides the additional $20K, is losing payload capacity and efficiency.

The biggest disadvantage of mechanical lockers is they must be engaged and disengaged to work, kind of like the 4x4 on a traditional truck. They do nothing when not engaged, the Beast's software based "locker" is always available in a few microseconds. That said, even in most tricky situations, it is not necessary to engage the Dual Motor's lockers.

Either truck is going to blow you away with how good of a truck it is, and how little you give up compared to a passenger EV, like any of the other Tesla models.

 

[Dwayne Z]

it’s a hypothetical situation, of course that’s not gonna happen..

Lol this thread is an all out awd vs cb royal rumble

 

[CyberFreak]

I haven't driven a Beast off-road (or on-road for that matter), I own a Dual Motor. But I believe the argument that a mechanical locker is superior to a powerful motor on each wheel to be questionable. With good software (and Tesla makes the best, IMHO), the independent motors are superior, particularly on icy pavement where a mechanical locker has serious disadvantages.

The one thing a software based locker cannot do is apply all the available rear axle torque to one wheel, it can only apply the torque of the dedicated motor to that wheel. However, I find this argument meaningless, considering that the rear motors are powerful enough to be traction limited in almost any conceivable scenario.

The one qualification to the software-based locker being superior, is the goodness of the traction and stability software. Since I haven't tested the Beast, I cannot say, but I believe Tesla will program the off-road modes specifically to act like a mechanical locker when needed. The time delay that mechanical locker fans like to use to discredit software lockers should be a moot point. Tesla can make them as synchronous as necessary, with the added benefit of being able to turn at different speeds to facilitate traction when using tight turning angles, a well-known disadvantage of mechanical lockers.

I'm a little surprised I haven't seen a head-to-head hill climbing traction test between the two yet. Even if the early release Beast loses such a test, I think it highly likely that more refined future software would make it at least as good as a mechanical locker climbing ridiculously steep, slippery hills, and superior on glare ice and the like.

I bought the Dual Motor so I could get my hands on a Cybertruck ASAP, but I would take either. In practice, the benefit of the Beast is not the insane acceleration, it's losing the rear differential and getting thrust vectoring. Oh, and the cool Beast logo, lol! And the biggest disadvantage of the Beast, besides the additional $20K, is losing payload capacity and efficiency.

The biggest disadvantage of mechanical lockers is they must be engaged and disengaged to work, kind of like the 4x4 on a traditional truck. They do nothing when not engaged, the Beast's software based "locker" is always available in a few microseconds. That said, even in most tricky situations, it is not necessary to engage the Dual Motor's lockers.

Either truck is going to blow you away with how good of a truck it is, and how little you give up compared to a passenger EV like any of the other Tesla models.

sorry, what are the payload capacities of the AWD vs TM?

edit: I looked it up. The difference is ~200lbs. Not too significant.

 

[kpg81]

sorry, what are the payload capacities of the AWD vs TM?

I personally don't care about "payloads"

I care about which one accelerates an ass-load faster than the other

AWD owner: "My Cybertruck can carry more loads of fertilizer for the yard"

Me: "That's cute, my Cybertruck is faster that a Bugatti Veyron and I have my gardener haul the cow shit for my yard"

 

[Tony2times]

So I’ve got a cyberbeast on order and I should be getting it early next year. I never really considered the all-wheel-drive model. But I thought I’d ask people here the following question: Can you think of any reason to choose the AWD over the Cyberbeast besides that it supposedly gets 20 miles more range?

I ordered the beast from day 1 and changed it to AWD once I received the foundation offer. My reasoning was the availability at the time. I didn’t care much about the price but I was able to get my AWD within a month of ordering. I’ve had the AWD now for about a month and don’t regret it for a second, it’s plenty fast and drives amazing!

 

[Tony2times]

I mean, whatever makes you justify having the slow version of the Cybertruck.. whatever makes you happy. For me, 245hp is a ton of power that you immediately feel even with part throttle, and use every single time you drive the truck. $20k isn't much to add that much power, I've spent $30k just to supercharge my Lambo and get 150 extra HP which made it so much better. Not to mention the $4k Powershare credit and lightbar ($1k value?) that's only $15k to have a fast truck, not one that's slower than a Raptor R or TRX.

If you need to count dollars and cents I agree, the AWD is the bargain, but I don't think the Beast was made for cost-sensitive clientele.

Slow? lol. The AWD is fast as fucking hell! Also important to note, there is going to eventually be a “slow” budget version.

 

[kpg81]

Slow? lol. The AWD is fast as fucking hell! Also important to note, there is going to eventually be a “slow” budget version.

To me its slower because I sold my Raptor R (0-60 in 3.7) for it and also even my Model Y Performance is quicker. The AWD is slower than both of those so I couldn't downgrade. But it's all preference, if that feels fast to you that's awesome! Just don't drive the Beast because you'll recalibrate your brain and have instant regret.

 

[Tony2times]

To me its slower because I sold my Raptor R (0-60 in 3.7) for it and also even my Model Y Performance is quicker. The AWD is slower than both of those so I couldn't downgrade. But it's all preference, if that feels fast to you that's awesome! Just don't drive the Beast because you'll recalibrate your brain and have instant regret.

Let me clarify. It’s fast enough for a 7000lb truck. I also have a model X plaid and a 911 GT3 RS which gives me a high level of the understanding of “fast”. The AWD is perfect for the CT.

 

[kpg81]

Let me clarify. It’s fast enough for a 7000lb truck. I also have a model X plaid and a 911 GT3 RS which gives me a high level of the understanding of “fast”. The AWD is perfect for the CT.

Nice, a fellow Porsche owner..! I have a 992 GT3 myself. That's awesome man. I totally get it, thats why there are two versions, a fast version and a slower version. Depends how much you care about performance and speed, if you don't need fast why spend the extra money.

My grandmother would usually buy the slower models of whatever she got as well because "it still got me to point A and B in the same speed" lol.. she did have a point.

 

[Cyberer]

I got the AWD purely because I thought it would put the CT in my hands sooner. Still took until May.

I love the truck, but already have pangs of regret for not going the Beast route. That acceleration is simply mind-blowing and worth every penny.

Maybe i'll put another order in and switch, but just seems like a lot of effort to go through at this point.

 

[CyGato]

Who cares which one ANYONE thinks is better?
To each his/her own.
If you want an AWD for whatever reason and someone else doesn’t like your choice, so what? You’re buying it for yourself. I know what I’m getting, and I don’t give a rip about what anyone else thinks, or what they’re buying for whatever reason. If any of us cared about the opinion of others, we wouldn’t be getting a CT at all because there are many who dislike this vehicle strongly.

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