Battery Pack Teardown Photos Reveals Empty Spaces (Sandy Munro Live)

[Knucklehead]

So 430 is all you need?

I would be very happy wirh 430 miles at highway speeds. I believe only the Lucid Air GT can do it as of today - using the smaller wheels (which don't look as nice). Edit: I forgot about the Silverado WT, but I doubt it can at 80 mph. Which is my typical highway speed.

We need significantly higher battery energy density before it becomes more common, but I think it will happen. I thought maybe the CT would be a leap in that direction, when 500 miles was targeted, but it is just a small step. Like most battery advances. Oh, well.

 

[Crissa]

Now radio silence from, you know who you are.

Well, at least one of them is no longer with us after they spread it into other threads. :/

And thanks for giving me my due, though mine was a WAG, you know, wild ass guess. I didn't know how much space was there, just that there was much more space than before.

-Crissa

 

[Woodrick]

for now until GM and Ford make trucks at 500 plus miles

No, that's not an answer.

How much extra are you going to pay at purchase of vehicle?

Most of this is range anxiety by folks that haven't driven an Tesla before. It goes away.

 

[Woodrick]

I would be very happy wirh 430 miles at highway speeds. I believe only the Lucid Air GT can do it as of today - using the smaller wheels (which don't look as nice). Edit: I forgot about the Silverado WT, but I doubt it can at 80 mph. Which is my typical highway speed.

We need significantly higher battery energy density before it becomes more common, but I think it will happen. I thought maybe the CT would be a leap in that direction, when 500 miles was targeted, but it is just a small step. Like most battery advances. Oh, well.

So, about $15,000 more than a standard model?

But matching it against another car has no relation to what you need or really even want.
If there was a vehicle that could do 1,000 miles, is that what you are going to pay for? Even at $350,000?

 

[Knucklehead]

So, about $15,000 more than a standard model?

But matching it against another car has no relation to what you need or really even want.
If there was a vehicle that could do 1,000 miles, is that what you are going to pay for? Even at $350,000?

I am not going to spend $350k on a car. But I would pay $15k more than the "standard" model for a decent increase in range.

Most of this is range anxiety by folks that haven't driven an Tesla before. It goes away.

For me, it isn't about range anxiety. I just don't like being forced to stop. I want to stop when I want to stop, not when I have to stop. I want to be able to drive as far as possible without public refueling.

 

[Cougs]

No, that's not an answer.

How much extra are you going to pay at purchase of vehicle?

Most of this is range anxiety by folks that haven't driven an Tesla before. It goes away.

What I meant Elon moves with competition and if Ford and GM pushes the range up then Tesla will make the 500 plus miles range. I am not complaining.
I am first time EV owner and believe me I wanted an EV truck since 2018 when I preordered a Rivian R1T right after they announced it met RJ in Seattle (nice guy) then I preordered a Cybertruck one day late because I was busy at work. I have been waiting that long for a cybertruck to find out that I am only getting 200 plus miles (sucks). I am saying that tesla should have an option for 400 miles for extra.
Tesla should have not let JB Straubel leave the company because he was the battery expert. He is on the board of the quantum scape a solid state battery company. He could have helped solve the 4680 issues that tesla is having for the past 5 years. I will only buy a Tesla Truck for may good reasons. Tesla struggles but eventually delivers and I totally support tesla employees 100 % for the hard work. They are new to the business of building trucks yet nailed it.

 

[Crissa]

I am not going to spend $350k on a car. But I would pay $15k more than the "standard" model for a decent increase in range.

But as pointed out, they could take that pack and sell a whole 'nother truck and sell it. So why sell it to you?

-Crissa

 

[Woodrick]

I am not going to spend $350k on a car. But I would pay $15k more than the "standard" model for a decent increase in range.



For me, it isn't about range anxiety. I just don't like being forced to stop. I want to stop when I want to stop, not when I have to stop. I want to be able to drive as far as possible without public refueling.

Then the battery extender will be great for you. And no, you can't complain about where it goes. There's a lot that goes into making and balancing a vehicle. Tesla made the decision that the battery compartment wasn't the place.

You say that it's not range anxiety, you just don't like to be forced to stop. Think of it anyways you want, but ANY vehicle today will make you stop. (Except for a train/bus with overhead cam)

But instead of trying to fight it, try to learn it. Try to learn how to make it best fit you.

The Cybertruck has the range that it has. It is expected to be able to add the Extender.

Get used to it. No complaining is going to change it. Tesla wanted to make it better, but restrictions kept them from doing so. "Magic" isn't going to fix it.

 

[Cougs]

But as pointed out, they could take that pack and sell a whole 'nother truck and sell it. So why sell it to you?

-Crissa

Because that is how you do business, you satisfy all your customers. We are trying to make an excuse for just forgetting that it is Battery struggle. when the rate of battery production increases the company will provide the option. That is what I am trying to say saying. I do not disagree what Tesla decided to do in order to make more trucks. Elon likes to be the best unfortunately this time he cannot for now. I can tell that he was not happy with the range. He did not even discussed it in the reveal last year.

 

[Woodrick]

What I meant Elon moves with competition and if Ford and GM pushes the range up then Tesla will make the 500 plus miles range. I am not complaining.
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You don't know Elon (or Tesla) if you suggest that they move with the competition.

Tesla sets the standards.

Tesla's research has found that 300 miles is the magic number. If you make a vehicle below that, people say that it doesn't have enough range, above it and the range is okay. And there's the sales of a few million Model Ys to back that statement up.

As an about to be an EV owner, you've got range anxiety. You are not quite sure what driving an EV means, it's normal.

Not much I'm going to say is going to impact your range anxiety. But I will say that problem any number isn't going to be sufficient for you.

But in reality, the 300+ range is going take you most everywhere. Tesla has Superchargers all over the place. And where there's not Superchargers, there's J-1772 plugs, slower, but will get you there.
If you haven't looked at Plugshare.com, take a look. Take a look at Supercharger | Tesla

What you will find is that you get in the truck hit the right button, say "Navigate to ***" and the truck will take you there. With FSD, the truck will literally take you there.

 

[Crissa]

Because that is how you do business, you satisfy all your customers. We are trying to make an excuse for just forgetting that it is Battery struggle. when the rate of battery production increases the company will provide the option. That is what I am trying to say saying. I do not disagree what Tesla decided to do in order to make more trucks. Elon likes to be the best unfortunately this time he cannot for now. I can tell that he was not happy with the range. He did not even discussed it in the reveal last year.

No, no it isn't.

You can't satisfy everyone, and you shouldn't try. You should pick what you do, and do that well.

You want a product they don't make. So either you take what they have to give, or choose another vendor. That's why competition is good for business.

-Crissa

 

[Cougs]

Then the battery extender will be great for you. And no, you can't complain about where it goes. There's a lot that goes into making and balancing a vehicle. Tesla made the decision that the battery compartment wasn't the place.

You say that it's not range anxiety, you just don't like to be forced to stop. Think of it anyways you want, but ANY vehicle today will make you stop. (Except for a train/bus with overhead cam)

But instead of trying to fight it, try to learn it. Try to learn how to make it best fit you.

The Cybertruck has the range that it has. It is expected to be able to add the Extender.

Get used to it. No complaining is going to change it. Tesla wanted to make it better, but restrictions kept them from doing so. "Magic" isn't going to fix it.

I would not complain, in fact we are lucky to have such a company like Tesla. I am lucky to be able to purchase such a good vehicle. After I ordered it my co workers made fun of me I did not care and told them you have no idea. I am not afraid to stop and walk around. I am a coach and ex professional football player so stop and exercise is good for me but that is not the point I am making. You are missing the point.
The extender is a bandage and tesla may not even offer it after all, we will see.

 

[Woodrick]

I would not complain, in fact we are lucky to have such a company like Tesla. I am lucky to be able to purchase such a good vehicle. After I ordered it my co workers made fun of me I did not care and told them you have no idea. I am not afraid to stop and walk around. I am a coach and ex professional football player so stop and exercise is good for me but that is not the point I am making. You are missing the point.
The extender is a bandage and tesla may not even offer it after all, we will see.

The extender is exactly that. It's not intended for most people, not needed for most people. There are few situations where it is needed.

Towing large non-aerodynamic loads, long distances is probably one of those situations. But a bigger battery means longer recharge times. So even then, it has it's drawbacks.

Will they make the extender? I suspect so, too many reservations at this point. (Although I expect that there will be a large number of people drop out)

 

[Cougs]

No, no it isn't.

You can't satisfy everyone, and you shouldn't try. You should pick what you do, and do that well.

You want a product they don't make. So either you take what they have to give, or choose another vendor. That's why competition is good for business.

-Crissa

I agree you cannot satisfy everyone but Tesla promised me 500 plus miles. I was promised 500 plus miles but will be happy with 400 miles.

 

[BannedByTMC]

I agree you cannot satisfy everyone but Tesla promised me 500 plus miles. I was promised 500 plus miles but will be happy with 400 miles.

You weren't "promised" anything.