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Tesla should have included free one of these with each Cybertruck delivery, would have sold millions of CT’s🤣

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Tesla's global vehicle sales peaked in 2023. For 2025, they were about 9.5% down from the peak.



So the problem is not just declining EV sales since the peak in 2023. On average, Tesla is now making less profit on each EV sale than in 2023.
Simple why numbers are falling. Tesla did it to itself with to many new sales in the past.

Remember everyone was buying new past five to six years due used were 1/3 more expensive. Now that’s changed and everyone can drive a used third party for 2/3 less than new.

So why give Tesla our money when we can shop around.

Case and point.

All the Jupiter launch series sold out, but yet to see even one on the road. Were they reserved like CT but never followed through and delivered?
 

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I have a feeling the CT will be more popular in the Asia region, ie. Korea. They seem to be more receptive and in love with the CT than other regions. Keep in mind, as a Canadian here, the US tariffs are killing the sales here in Canada.

I bought mine for $139,990 CAD FS AWD - as you know everything was included (Accessories, FSD, Lifetime Premium Connectivity, etc.)
Now though, with tariffs, a new CT owner will only get the base AWD for the exact $139,900 CAD price (no accessories, no FSD, nothing).
It was supposed to drop down to $79,990 USD --> $109,990 ($109,794.27 is the actual conversion of USD to CAD, but Tesla likes round numbers 😅 )

My point is, depending on how badly tariffs will affect other countries with their vehicle prices then those who love the CT will buy one. I'm sure once the tariffs in Canada end, this will convert to more sales.

Though... I do love being in the exclusive club :cool:
 

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Simple why numbers are falling. Tesla did it to itself with to many new sales in the past.

Remember everyone was buying new past five to six years due used were 1/3 more expensive. Now that’s changed and everyone can drive a used third party for 2/3 less than new.

So why give Tesla our money when we can shop around.

Case and point.

All the Jupiter launch series sold out, but yet to see even one on the road. Were they reserved like CT but never followed through and delivered?
I'm still waiting for used CTs to drop in price. They are still in the 70K range everywhere.
 

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Yep it was like the first two years after release of the Y, $75k-$90k for used. Crazy, the CT used price bubble will crack soon.
 


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I have a feeling the CT will be more popular in the Asia region, ie. Korea. They seem to be more receptive and in love with the CT than other regions.
It's true that South Korea is very receptive to Tesla. Model Y and Model 3 sales have boomed this year, to the point where South Korea is now the #3 country for Tesla sales (after #1 China and #2 US). However, this stat also reflects the current weakness of Tesla sales in countries like Canada, UK, France, Germany, and Japan.

Keep in mind, as a Canadian here, the US tariffs are killing the sales here in Canada.

I bought mine for $139,990 CAD FS AWD - as you know everything was included (Accessories, FSD, Lifetime Premium Connectivity, etc.)
Now though, with tariffs, a new CT owner will only get the base AWD for the exact $139,900 CAD price (no accessories, no FSD, nothing).
As you say, the base AWD CT (with nothing included) is now priced at $139,990 CAD. That currently converts to around $102,000 USD. So way more expensive than the $79,990 USD base price in the US.

But the pricing is high in South Korea too. The base AWD CT (again, with nothing included) starts at 145,000,000 won, which currently converts to around $101,000 USD -- about the same as the Canadian price. And compared to Canada, South Korea has less "pickup culture", narrower roads, and smaller parking spaces. Tesla will definitely sell some CTs in South Korea, but probably even fewer than they do in Canada.
 
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Yep it was like the first two years after release of the Y, $75k-$90k for used. Crazy, the CT used price bubble will crack soon.
That would be nice for me. I remember wanting a Tesla during the boom in 2021-2022 so bad but did not want to pay $70K+ for one. Waited a couple years and bought a used 2021 Model Y in 2024 with FSD for 'half off'. I'm glad I didn't eat that depreciation.
 

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It's true that South Korea is very receptive to Tesla. Model Y and Model 3 sales have boomed this year, to the point where South Korea is now the #3 country for Tesla sales (after #1 China and #2 US). However, this stat also reflects the current weakness of Tesla sales in countries like Canada, UK, France, Germany, and Japan.


As you say, the base AWD CT (with nothing included) is now priced at $139,990 CAD. That currently converts to around $102,000 USD. So way more expensive than the $79,990 USD base price in the US.

But the pricing is high in South Korea too. The base AWD CT (again, with nothing included) starts at 145,000,000 won, which currently converts to around $101,000 USD -- about the same as the Canadian price. And compared to Canada, South Korea has less "pickup culture", narrower roads, and smaller parking spaces. Tesla will definitely sell some CTs in South Korea, but probably even fewer than they do in Canada.
I'm just glad I didn't listen to (pretty much) everyone else who told me to wait - I would've had huge regrets. As cliche as it sounds, I really wish I could climb to the top of the hill tops and shout my love for the Cybertruck. The moment I drove this beautiful machine off the lot, I could immediately tell this was truly something special, something unique. God bless Elon's child for drawing a triangle on a piece of paper, if this story is true 😅, and the hard working engineers who made this gorgeous piece of engineering art. I am and will forever be a Cybertruck owner - if for whatever reason my current one dies, I'll 100% will be buying another one.
 
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But the pricing is high in South Korea too. The base AWD CT (again, with nothing included) starts at 145,000,000 won, which currently converts to around $101,000 USD -- about the same as the Canadian price. And compared to Canada, South Korea has less "pickup culture", narrower roads, and smaller parking spaces. Tesla will definitely sell some CTs in South Korea, but probably even fewer than they do in Canada.
Another possible issue for the CT in South Korea is local competition in the EV pickup sector. The KGM Musso EV pickup is already selling well in South Korea, and is now being exported to Europe and Australia (but not, as far as I know, to the US or Canada).

The Musso EV is mid-sized, comparable to a Ford Ranger. It doesn't have the specs of a CT, but the South Korean price is only a fraction of the 145 million won starting price for a CT:
The Musso EV pickup starts at 48 million won, or about $35,000. With incentives, KGM says the purchase price is closer to 39.62 million won ($29,000).
 
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Telsa's reported production numbers for "Other Models":

3Q 2024: 26,128
4Q 2024: 22,727
1Q 2025: 17,161
2Q 2025: 13,409
3Q 2025: 11,624
4Q 2025: 11,706

Production of S/X/CT declined steadily for several quarters, but now seems to have bottomed out. So Tesla may feel that the demand for the "expensive models" has finally stabilized, although at a relatively low level.

So the bump from 11,624 to 11,706 makes one think things have stabilized or bottomed? Can I have the Wheaties you eat that have all the hopium in them? Does one run a data firm that is questioning such consumers. Or just a half assed guess?
 


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I'm still waiting for used CTs to drop in price. They are still in the 70K range everywhere.
My recollection is that used CTs were as low as the mid-60Ks before October 1, 2025. At that time, most Americans could get a brand new AWD CT for just $72,490 with the $7,500 tax credit. So used vehicles had to be priced below $70K to be worth considering.

Of course, it's different now. Without the tax credit, new CTs start at $79,990, and the price for used CTs has risen as well.
 

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I don't think the CT used market really dips until there's more compelling competition in the space. They aren't making a ton of CTs and it seems like most people who own them are holding them, at least until a compelling alternative comes around.

Once the EREV trucks come out or more smaller EV trucks for people who don't want the size, a lot of the 24/25 CTs will be traded in and prices will crater. This is almost certainly the best time to sell if you're on the fence of keeping long term, and if you've been waiting to buy, might as well wait a little longer now.

I will admit a second high milage Beast for $50k that I can be a little more adventurous with would be fun. My Beast is my daily driver and I've been a bit too timid to mess it up for what I paid. $50k Beast hits my IDGAF pricing and I start to get a little wild.
 
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So the bump from 11,624 to 11,706 makes one think things have stabilized or bottomed? Can I have the Wheaties you eat that have all the hopium in them? Does one run a data firm that is questioning such consumers. Or just a half assed guess?
From 3Q 2024 to 3Q 2025, quarterly production of "Other Models" fell again and again, by thousands of vehicles every quarter. For 4Q 2025, production rose very slightly, by 82 vehicles. That seems like a more positive signal -- at least it didn't get any worse.

It's true that a production rate of 11,706 "Other Models" per quarter is very low relative to Tesla's capacity. According to Tesla, annual production capacity is 100,000 per year for the Model S and Model X at the Fremont factory, and ">125,000" per year for the Cybertruck at the Austin factory. So Tesla has the capacity to make at least 225,000 S/X/CTs per year, or at least 56,250 per quarter. If Tesla only made 11,706 in 4Q 2025, they only utilized about 20% of factory capacity, leaving about 80% unutilized.

So current production levels of the S/X/CT are not good. Maybe production will rise in 2026, or maybe not (my half-assed guess would be "not"). But in any case, it's fair to say that production was basically stable from 3Q 2025 to 4Q 2025.
 
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Once the EREV trucks come out or more smaller EV trucks for people who don't want the size, a lot of the 24/25 CTs will be traded in and prices will crater. This is almost certainly the best time to sell if you're on the fence of keeping long term, and if you've been waiting to buy, might as well wait a little longer now.
The supply of used CTs could also increase in the future as 24-month and 36-month leases expire and those leased vehicles are returned to Tesla.

For S3XY vehicles, Tesla gets lots of lease returns, which they resell as "pre-owned" through Tesla Inventory. Tesla doesn't offer used Cybertrucks at this time, but that's maybe because the supply is limited. This could change when the leases on 2024 CTs expire in 2026-2027.
 

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The supply of used CTs could also increase in the future as 24-month and 36-month leases expire and those leased vehicles are returned to Tesla.

For S3XY vehicles, Tesla gets lots of lease returns, which they resell as "pre-owned" through Tesla Inventory. Tesla doesn't offer used Cybertrucks at this time, but that's maybe because the supply is limited. This could change when the leases on 2024 CTs expire in 2026-2027.
Good call on the leases. There wasn't a lease option when CT launched, it likely won't be until 2027 when there is any bulk of leased vehicles going back to Tesla. This is when I think the prices will go down considerably, I think the used market probably stays pretty flat in 2026 and then goes off the cliff sometime in 2027.
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