Roadster without FSD? Who’s stupid idea was this?

[tesla fan]

So the most advanced vehicle on the planet will not have the most advanced and important automobile technology implemented in all Tesla’s vehicle except the Roadster? Did they forget that FSD is not mandatory but available in every other Tesla vehicle? It is only available as a subscription selected purposely. If I want the driving experience in my cyberbeast or in my model 3 performance I don’t have to activate FSD. How many Tesla owners have proclaimed that “I will never buy another vehicle without FSD” to now find that the Tesla halo vehicle is not going to have FSD? How utterly stupid is this decision? On a Spring morning on a back country road I like to drive my Tesla vehicle but on a typical drive to Costco or on a long freeway drive - Zi enable FSD. Why? Musk has advocated that it is ten times safer when a car is controlled by FSD, less stressful, and yes - even fun and enjoyable to supervise but not having to steer the vehicle.

I was about to put dorm thr $50,000 deposit until I learned this super Tesla will not have this all important and critical technology system that was painstakingly perfected by Tesla?
All these jets, nozzles, flipping around, sucked to the ground, are all abilities no one asked for, wanted or would ever use for so many obvious reasons. Musk acts like all cyberbeast owners do crazy 0-60 sprints several times a day- most owners likely have never done a mad max dragster. Cars with jet thrusters will need FAA approval and even then these stunts will prove dangerous and illegal on surface roads- as exhibition speed no less than going donuts in an intersection.

what Tesla customers wanted was a Tesla true sports car with exceptional all electric drivetrain, state of the art suspension, huge Bemba carbon ceramic brakes, excellent passenger protection from airbag and structure design. A Tesla sports car to shame the Porsche 911 Tutbos and GT cars yet roomy inside, great stereo, excellent handling on a track and fantastic handling on a twisting country road. I wanted a practical car that is more fun than driving my 911 GT3 or my corvette Z06. And to accomplish this new standard for technology leading electric sports car FSD is absolutely necessary.

my current Tesla vehicles are unequivocally the best daily driving cars on the planet and FSD is integral to that experience.

and the cost and engineering to add FSD to the Roadster are obviously trivial given this system is in even the cheapest car Tesla makes today.

I spend $300,000 on a Tesla that does not offer FSD - as if an owner will only use this car for doing flips and running up ramps? An owner will never want to take his wife on a weekend trip to a resort 300 miles away and would like the convenience and safety benefits of Tesla’s FSD?
Not one of these famous car reviewers has even questioned this decision to not include FSD in this Tesla vehicle?
The cost is just the cameras, and the software and adds trivial weight - but Musk has decided that Roadster owners must always drive the car the same as all the competition - and never enjoy the benefits of every other Tesla vehicle - which is FSD.
I can’t ask Gtok to drive me to a destination in my $300,000 Roadster? Really Elon? I have to go back to listening to and following navigation instructions like in my other cars from Porsche and Chevrolet?

a tesla sports car with FSD and integrated to Gtok, with better suspension than a 911, beating every other car on the Nurburgring and yes - while controlled by FSD is the milestone that would make the roadster legendary.

creating an advanced track version of FSD that would drive my Roadster at its limits on a track - that would have been genius. A car that jumps around over obstacles or can do a flip is unnecessary and will require pilots license. No one ever asked for this except Musk because he is really over driving cars and is more interested in rocketry.
I thank Musk for saving me $300,000 by building another “stupid” car no better than the sports cars made by Porsche and all the other companies.

musk’s job was not to make the last of the braindead stupid sports cars but to make the first sports car of tomorrow - all electric, comfortable, with better braking, acceleration and convenience and safety than all the legacy sports cars built before Roadster and FSD is necessary to accomplish this goal.

 

[Ken in Miami]

200 mph self drive? That’s stretching reality like a spear gun band. Not going to happen.

 

[Limes2]

When Lars said it'll have a limited version of FSD I imagined that it would be TACC, Autopark and maybe ASS as they want it to be a driver's car.

There was also mention of a steep windshield causing an issue of FSD.

 

[tesla fan]

FSD does not have to drive at 200 mph - FSD in my cybertruck and my performance 3 does not take off up to 130 mph - even if the max speed is way up there near 150 mph.

but even Roadster guys will have destinations to travel too and will take trips on the freeway - and the advantages of FSD still apply. Safer for the occupants, less tiring, no distraction trying to follow verbal and visual nav instructions - and clearly less likely to get your pretty car smashed as well. Implementing FSD in the roadster would only take the cameras and the software.

FSD would not wotk in the silly thrust and rocket modes - of course.

Well actually for safety / maybe FSD should steer the car when doing the one or two rabbit starts a new owner will do.

the rocket thrusters are.really childish as they have no practical use and most guys even with Ferrari’s with 1,000 hp ever do jack rabbit starts. Just bragging rights for guys with small ones.

the base roadster is the sweet spot - if the car can corner like a gt3-rs and the suction stuff would help make the car safer also… but the rockets - stupid - except. On Musks personal car. …

 

[Patriot]

would only take the cameras and the software

I think you are underestimating how difficult the software part is. The roadster is different from every other Tesla ever made and requires it's own training data. Look how long it took them to bring FSD to the CT. There will be far fewer roadsters than CTs on the road, driving far fewer miles. It would take them years to gather enough data to make it work on the roadster, and it would never be as good as the MY or M3.
I understand your point, but the roadster isn't meant to be a daily driver. It's the car you take out on weekends when you want to really drive, not commute to work. It's a different tool for a different and very specific job.

 

[MatteRDST]

Engineering challenges aside... I still want FSD.

Might not be a daily, but should be capable if you want to drive it daily for a week.

Also, if it's gonna be used as a GT car, FSD would be great.

Seems like a lot of money to not have a Tesla signature feature.

(I also want a great audio system)

 

[gtgarner]

The exhibition was 100% FSD. (outside of the guys rolling it out some 20 feet)

How much more FSD would anyone want?

 

[gtgarner]

FSD on the roadster?

Like ketchup on a beautiful porterhouse steak.

Who in the world isn't going to want to drive this thing 100% of the time?

 

[Cayden Thompson]

For me, no FSD=no buy

 

[tesla fan]

I was about to send in a deposit until I learned that this car will not have FSD? Really? World’s most advanced car that doesn’t have FSD? Who’s stupid idea was that? I like many Tesla devotees have vowed to never buy another car without FSD! The only roadster that makes any sense is the base or maybe the performance for the suckee fans - and owners will not be doing 0-60 mph launches over and over and over. I will drive on morning runs on back country roads where I may want to drive the “old” way but many other times I will drive on the freeway or out to dinner with the wife and FSD is safer and convenient and cures driving anxiety caused by trying to follow Google Maps instructions on my phone or on the screen,

FSD is not optional on Tesla vehicles any longer!

I am now more interested in the new Porsche Mission which will almost surely hold value better than the Roadster and sell it’s a porsche. And then there is the new porsche Boxster - a real convertible that will be electric. Without FSD the Roadster is not inevitably in my garage- with my two other Tesla’s with it …

all my gas friends are laughing and telling me that even Musk thinks FSD is stupid for drivers guys - no one has to use FSD if they don’t want - and implementing it in the Roadster is cheap - 8 cameras, and the same old software in my cyberbeast and model 3 performance- obviously it would not drive faster than an it will in my other cars -80 or 90 mph and would not function in the silly flying version models obviously.

Tesla guys need to start making a huge stink about this super Tesla not having this amazing software that we all have learned to not only love but rely on for increased safety and convenience -/

very sadly disappointed. I was eager to put down a deposit after the event - Musk’s job is to make the cars of the future not the last super car that requires the driver to have control all the time/ let Porsche and BMW and Corvette make these outdated cars. I sold my c8 z06 and my porsche 2024 GT3 in preparation to put down the deposit and start building cash to pay for a Roadster - but that dream is pointless now that the Roadster will just be another stupid ignorant dumb car.

the interface between Grok and navigation and FSD is sublime and needs to be in this Tesla supercar or it is just a Musk vanity project. No one wants to do flips in the air in their car and kill themselves- and others around them. But they want a smart state of the art super electric car with all the intelligence of my other Tesla vehicles except with proper super car suspension, brakes, handling and FSD interfaced with Grok. That I would pay $300,000 plus for /

 

[gtgarner]

I was about to send in a deposit until I learned that this car will not have FSD? Really? World’s most advanced car that doesn’t have FSD? Who’s stupid idea was that? I like many Tesla devotees have vowed to never buy another car without FSD! The only roadster that makes any sense is the base or maybe the performance for the suckee fans - and owners will not be doing 0-60 mph launches over and over and over. I will drive on morning runs on back country roads where I may want to drive the “old” way but many other times I will drive on the freeway or out to dinner with the wife and FSD is safer and convenient and cures driving anxiety caused by trying to follow Google Maps instructions on my phone or on the screen,

FSD is not optional on Tesla vehicles any longer!

I am now more interested in the new Porsche Mission which will almost surely hold value better than the Roadster and sell it’s a porsche. And then there is the new porsche Boxster - a real convertible that will be electric. Without FSD the Roadster is not inevitably in my garage- with my two other Tesla’s with it …

all my gas friends are laughing and telling me that even Musk thinks FSD is stupid for drivers guys - no one has to use FSD if they don’t want - and implementing it in the Roadster is cheap - 8 cameras, and the same old software in my cyberbeast and model 3 performance- obviously it would not drive faster than an it will in my other cars -80 or 90 mph and would not function in the silly flying version models obviously.

Tesla guys need to start making a huge stink about this super Tesla not having this amazing software that we all have learned to not only love but rely on for increased safety and convenience -/

very sadly disappointed. I was eager to put down a deposit after the event - Musk’s job is to make the cars of the future not the last super car that requires the driver to have control all the time/ let Porsche and BMW and Corvette make these outdated cars. I sold my c8 z06 and my porsche 2024 GT3 in preparation to put down the deposit and start building cash to pay for a Roadster - but that dream is pointless now that the Roadster will just be another stupid ignorant dumb car.

the interface between Grok and navigation and FSD is sublime and needs to be in this Tesla supercar or it is just a Musk vanity project. No one wants to do flips in the air in their car and kill themselves- and others around them. But they want a smart state of the art super electric car with all the intelligence of my other Tesla vehicles except with proper super car suspension, brakes, handling and FSD interfaced with Grok. That I would pay $300,000 plus for /

You really want FSD on a Roadster?

You wouldn't want to drive every mile of that experience?

 

[tesla fan]

No I would not! I use FSD in my cyberbeast and my model 3 performance - no one is doing 0-60 sprints daily or even more than twice. I take my Porsche GT3 and corvette c8 z06 and my Ferrari 296 GTB on fun morning drives and I enjoy driving the cars - but I also use them to get from point A to B as well - and to work and even to Costco or the grocery store or to dinner. And I would use FSD in any of those cars like I do with my existing Tesla vehicles .
The data they have for the model 3 or model S would more than work for the Roadster. The size of the vehicles is not that different.

on a long boring freeway drive I want FSD - Tesla has convinced that ai am safer and less likely to smash my vehicle.

no one needs Musk to start building old fashioned legacy cars - there is porsche taycon and many other electric sports cars alternatively as well as the upcoming electric Csyman,

if you want to drive your car the old way - do so - in fact as a Tesla owner you don’t have to subscribe to FSD at all in your model Y or 3.
Just really dumb to not give this stats of the art car this important system - a huge reason why this car is better than all the other gas, electric sports cars.

 

[CTOWannabe]

I agree. While I look forward to driving the roadster a lot, FSD is such a nice added feature. But we will have to wait and see what "limited FSD" means. Limited FSD on HW3 is fine. I'd love it to be HW5 and even more amazing, but I could cope with HW3 level of "limited".

They call HW3 FSD 14 "limited", so I'd like to think it's at at least that level, but they may think something completely different.

 

[ÆCIII]

In my opinion, the Roadster is a Driver's Car.

If you're in a Roadster you're not sight-seeing, because you're performance-feeling and road-feeling.

The whole point of a Roadster is delivering performance and handling with the driver feeling connected to the road. If you're not into adrenaline rushed driving skill tightly gripping the steering wheel connecting through the car to the road during performance, then you should not be getting into a Roadster.

I would say if you like machines that go fast with autonomy, look to the Cybertruck, Models 3/Y, Falcon 9, or Starship.

But let's say all the above is BS, and I agree FSD would still be a 'fun' added feature to the Roadster. The futuristic interior certainly would complement such amazing tech. Also having the Roadster autonomously come from a parking space via summon to pick you up would be very cool.

Problem is, the Roadster is a a completely different vehicle from other Teslas with a lower profile and cameras. It would be very resource intensive and costly to make a completely new FSD build for this unique vehicle. The Roadster low profile might also present serious camera placement and visibility challenges, considering there's a lot more technology like thrusters also competing for placement positions. But even if that were not an issue, Tesla would still likely have to charge over 20K to 30K per vehicle for the feature, or over $500 dollars a month for a Roadster FSD subscription to even justify developing and supporting an FSD version build for the limited numbers of Roadsters that will be produced and sold. Also there will not be nearly as many Roadsters for data collection to refine such an FSD build.

Tesla has been very intelligent and astute when making tough decisions. Ultimately they have to please the larger market for a return on investment.

- ÆCIII

 

[CTOWannabe]

The Roadster is a Driver's Car.

If you're in a Roadster you're not sight-seeing, because you're performance-feeling and road-feeling.

The whole point of a Roadster is delivering performance and handling with the driver feeling connected to the road. If you're not into adrenaline rushed driving skill tightly gripping the steering wheel connecting through the car to the road during performance, then you should not be getting into a Roadster.

If you like machines that go fast with autonomy, look to the Cybertruck, Models 3/Y, Falcon 9, or Starship.

- ÆCIII

Maybe not for you and your use case, but it is for me and my use case. I've taken VERY high performance cars on huge road trips. FSD would be magnificent on them. And I take over when I feel like driving. Not tough to imagine. I don't begrudge your use case. Never use FSD if you don't want to. But those of us that want to use it, not sure why you would begrudge our preference.

Moreover, it's not a question of if FSD will be available on the car. That is confirmed. ALL the hardware will be on the car already confirmed by Franz. IT seems a question of emphasis and what "limited" means.

I guess time will tell.